totally off topic ...it is time for a revolution...now

You're absolutely right, though I don't think the planet will die. It will just become a whole lot more difficult for us to live here. Maybe that is the planet's way of fixing the problem.

But let me share a story. A few weeks ago on a Friday my son and I marched in the global school strike to protest against governments basically doing nothing to solve this problem. It all gets a load of publicity and sympathy and lots of news coverage. Then just last week in my state we have an election and the people re-elect the conservative party of climate change deniers who support excessive over-development, trickle down economics, environmental destruction and so on.

I try to do my bit and to teach my kids not to be so wasteful and greedy. But I fear it is already too late to avoid major problems and we're just going to have to get used to the changes. Sea levels are going to rise, animal species are going to go extinct, air is going to be polluted - all of it is already happening. Because when it comes down to it ultimately there aren't enough people willing to do anything about it. Ask people to pay a little more, clean up after themselves, or consume a little less and it is like asking turkeys to vote for Christmas.

I actually have to listen to politicians and other idiots here saying that Australia has a small population so nothing we do matters, and if other countries aren't doing anything to fix the problem neither should we. I can't believe I am still hearing this simpleton argument from adults at this point. It is the argument used by a child when they don't want to clean their room. But I have been hearing it since I learned about global warming in high school in the late 1980s. Well have we are 30 years later and there are still morons who either don't believe this is real or don't care. It is sad, frustrating, and depressing.

I don't know about the rest of Canada, or even my home province of Alberta. But the city of Calgary where I live is trying to do their part. The 4 landfills around the city are all closed at least a few days every week so that they can do their part and keep everything separated. They started separating all the trash that comes in the best they can, and they try to recycle everything that's possible to recycle. As a landfill to a good size city of a million and a half people strong to be doing this and doing it well from what I've learned, sets a huge example for every other city to do so in this country.
For all I know , every town and city may have already started.
I walk everywhere, only because I enjoy it, I never pick up anybody else's trash, but I'll never throw my own trash on the ground, ever, for any reason, because I think its disrespectful to not only myself but others around me.
I keep the same cell phone, only because it's still good, why replace it if I don't need to.

My point is, if saving the earth isn't a good enough reason to be doing these things that vomvom12 mentions up there, then find a reason for yourself to be doing some of these things and do your part. You dont need to be doing them solely to save the earth, you can do them for any other reason if you feel better about it.

This was not intended or directed to anybody In particular, when I say do your part, do it for you, I meant it in a general sense towards everybody. Just dont want to needlessly offend anyone when that is very far from my intentions here.

Oh, you can't even imagine what is like here guys...nobody even cares about the involvement...except for a few people maybe.

First of all as one of the poorest (low in standard is the right term maybe) countries in Europe, the vehicles is like all the trash that no one in Western European countries would of drive but still imported here, thanks god we don't have a decent (or any) economy any more cause all the fabrics and the chemical works have been disastrous for a climate as well.

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I never pick up anybody else's trash, but I'll never throw my own trash on the ground

Yeah exactly be responsible for yourself...and you could hardly control the others.

I'm separating my trash for more than 10 years now...and I'm still not sure it goes to the right place i.e recycle fabric or something but I'll still doing it cause I feel this is the right thing to do and it didn't cost you anything after all....

As for the meet...I've been my self a vegetarian for over a year and I didn't felt like I've missed anything...but that's up for anyone to decide for himself...I don't like the extremes...especially when it's about telling other people how to live their lives and what's the right way to do it...there's so many other things people could do to clean the planet apart for what they eat.

You can't even imagine what's been thrown away and let it fly from the terraces in the block which I live in...I've seen everything...empty( 😉 ) vodka bottles, a flip flops, condoms, or even a bikini...luckily not landing on my head ..but a near miss 😀

My point is do what you do..clean up your mess...and be responsible...that's the only thing you could do...OK maybe without being attached to any particular cause maybe but...it doesn't demand much and I think it would make a lot of difference if anyone just follow a few simple rules.

By the way I've really liked the way you titled your thread vomvom 👍

Caught my attention right away...I've had ever struggled titling...whatever it might be 🙂

"I'm separating my trash for more than 10 years now...and I'm still not sure it goes to the right place"

I live in a condo complex, 4 buildings , and maybe 250 units all together. Every Thursday a guy shows up in a 3 ton moving truck and spends the entire day sorting all of the recycling bins because people including myself, don't separate our recycling materials. We just dump them in a bin instead of the garbage bins.
I know the things I recycle actually get recycled in Calgary. It's a good feeling knowing that my efforts are just the beginning, and everyone who touches that stuff after me is one step closer to being recycled.

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I know the things I recycle actually get recycled in Calgary. It's a good feeling knowing that my efforts are just the beginning, and everyone who touches that stuff after me is one step closer to being recycled.

Nice to hear that Kris, I hope they do that here as well but I'm not sure in that at all, I know there's like a couple of recycle facilities here too but I've never seen or heard how exactly they've been working so I'm skeptic about it.
There's a recycle bins these days almost anywhere in the big cities but it's a shame most of the people doesn't even bother to use them and instead trowing their trash in the "classic" ones, from my experience more of 50% of any household trash is in fact a plastic which could be recycled, add to that the glass, paper and other recycled materials and it would left just like 20-30% of your trash which is easily degrading and not toxic, well it's valid at least for my household.

vomvom12 wrote:

sorry mate... that is wrong... it do matter a lot what people eat. befor i start reading more about that theme i am not even
thought about that eating a lot of meat could be bad for the climate

33% of all greenhouse gases arises through cattle breeding

I don't know the facts but I guess you're right mate...I don't consume beef and veal anyway cause I don't like the taste anyway...yeah OK probably once a year when there's not anything else left in the fridge 😉

I'm tend to believe it's not so easy to change people's diet when they are 30 or older unless they have a health issues(it's another story then) which get use to consume meat on a daily bases through whole of their life really but probably that should of being done as a state politic(propaganda) which could eventually influenced the younger generations.

There's another factor of what people eat I think as well, the meat here has never been more affordable like in the last few years,it's really cheap compare to some sorts of vegetables and fruits who're expensive almost through the whole year, that being said I don't even have to mention the bio stores who at least here are like 3x times more expensive than the usual grocery stores and in fact I'm not even sure most of things there are in fact bio clean.

So the spending budget has always be the decisive factor for many of the people here anyway(including me)

I do eat beef, but we get our meat from a local farm where they feed the cows grass and do everything organically. Same for our vegetables.

We like getting everything locally where it can be traced. I know this isn’t an option for for everyone, but I think it beats going with the large scale operations.

There’s definitely a lot that needs to be done to counteract climate change, and hopefully we’ll get somewhere before it’s too late.

This issue makes me so sad and equally angry. The lack of meaningful action from our governments and some of the largest economies in the world just blows my mind.

The young girl, Greta Thunberg who inspired the Strike for Climate Action movement did a TED talk and she nails it - you can watch it here . But sadly despite her protests and those of the many hundreds of thousands of kids worldwide, we are still mired in stupid inaction.

For me personally, I do what I can with my family. We have solar panels, we sort our garbage so they can go to their respective recycling (we are now down to one small parcel of waste that goes to landfill a week!), we have a worm farm that recycles most of our organic waste, we have minimised our use of single use plastic bags. I know these are just small things, perhaps it's too little too late, but at least it's something.

It feels like we are fighting a losing battle, but we have to keep battling.

We were at a restaurant this past weekend that has stopped using any sort of straws in order to stop some of the trash that's been piling up. Good to see little things like this picking up some steam.

Yeah there's a bit of an anti straw movement happening here. Some places don't serve them any more, others are using paper straws or only handing them out on request. Another big push is to stop people using disposable coffee cups. People think they can be recycled because they are made of paper or cardboard, but they don't get recycled because they are lined with plastic on the inside and it's too costly to separate. Plus they have to be manually separated from all the other material in the recycling bins that is recyclable. So now some coffee shops will give people a discount if they bring their own cup. Little steps, but we need about a million more like it.

vomvom12 wrote:

as we all know,... our planet is dying right now, and if we do nothing now,
it might be too late tomorrow...it is time for a revolution...now

stop flying around the planet if you really do not have to
sell your fxxxing car and use your bike
stop eating tons of meat every day...once a week maybe twice is enough
stop buying the newest electronic gadgets all day long ...your current smartphone is good enough
when we all start with this few simple things ...an important first step is already taken
start now

vomvom12

leonardo dicaprio´s speech about climate change at the un

Wow Bro, that's so true... Yet only few people realise it...

Yeah all credit to this girl for fighting for a good cause. The personal insults being directed at her by the denialists are disgusting but not surprising. When you can't win the argument attack the messenger... a time honoured tactic of the stupid.

Kudos to a courageous young lady who is helping young people find their voice in the fight to save the planet and protect theirs and our future! 👏🙌

Now if only the old white men of the world in power will listen and take action rather than disparaging the young for taking a stand!

I wouldn't believe a lot of what is said in that movie. It's supposed to be a load of garbage.

For example it infers that because you may need to use fossil fuels to manufacture solar cells, you using solar panels is therefore just as bad. Which is utter stupidity because it fails to account for the reduction in use of fossil fuels over the lifetime of the solar panels.

This article points out loads of what it gets wrong and says it is worse than Gwyneth Paltrow's Goop series on Netflix.

That's an interesting take. I used to work in a plant where we made the polycrystalline silicon for solar panels, microchips, etc.

Sure, they use chemicals, fossil fuels, and such to make the stuff, but you need to have the means of production to eventually shift. Frankly, solar polar wouldn't be enough to power that plant at this time. The technology just isn't there yet. Maybe one day.

That doesn't mean that it's not a worthy cause, though.

Yeah exactly. You can't just say its all too hard and we don't have a perfect solution so we shouldn't do anything. What's that saying about perfect being the enemy of good? Its a gradual process, and the quicker we do it the better. The more clean energy sources we switch to, the more we can use those sources to manufacture the means to capture more clean energy. I would have thought that was obvious.

Another take on the movie, being described as full of misinformation by climate scientists.

Its key point seems to be that over population is the main issue and everything else is secondary. That may well be true. But seeing as no-one is volunteering to reduce their population any time soon we have to do the best we can with what we have now. We should be helping out developing countries so they don't repeat the mistakes the developed world has already made, and improving health and education around the world so that the rate of population increase slows as a result.