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Yeah Bevan was the master. For a long time he was the only player in the world to average over 50 in one day cricket, and was miles ahead of everyone else. That might not be the case any more, I don't know?

It was the golden era for me anyway. I've lost a lot of interest in the game since then. There are too many meaningless games, the huge money in the IPL has forced everyone else to schedule around it and shortened test series, I don't like 20-20, and now I have a family I can't sit around all day watching it. While this world cup is on in the middle of the night for me, weirdly enough I can at least sit down and watch some of it more than I can if the games are on in daytime. But I don't know who even most of the Aussie players are, let alone the rest of the world.

Also I think in general with the internet and all the instant gratification we have these days that people don't have the patience for cricket like they used to. Hence the success of 20-20 and the decline in 50 over and test cricket. So the game is stronger in some ways but weaker in the ones that I enjoy the most I guess.

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Yeah Bevan was the master. For a long time he was the only player in the world to average over 50 in one day cricket, and was miles ahead of everyone else. That might not be the case any more, I don't know?

Generally the batting scores have been on the rise for the last decade or so in the ODI and the game have definitely become more aggressive these days but I wasn't sure about the exact numbers so I've checked it and discovered that there's like 10 batsmen who average over 50 for the last 10-12 years.

I get your point Ed, I know for a long time cricket fan the test format is the ultimate form of the game and I definitely find a charm in it myself.

But in the modern world with the fast moving way of life for most of the people you could hardly find enough time for a ODI game what about a test cricket...yeah I'm an exception being jobless for years now.

And you also know..the TV's have their demands for the length of the games and this is where the T2O format have stepped in...I'm not going to lie.. I find T20 games attractive and for me this is a normal evolution of the game which should make it more attractive and global...don't think that's wrong.

And besides I think the players evolved themselves being able to participate in all of the formats..and for example you could expect a batsmen to score huge in a hurry if the situation requires that even in a test cricket game because he's got certain level of experience in the T20 format.

For me the biggest issue in this sport is about top players being able to participate in all of the formats of the game cause the schedule obviously becoming pretty busy for them and you don't want to see the Ashes for example without some of the best players involved there.

But that's just my point..I'm not saying I'm right but I like the all three formats of the game and I think it helps players to become universal and in fact better.

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Saw partly the Australia game today..thought they've done really well with the bat and their score could of been even higher if Khawaja doesn't' screw up Maxwell innings the way he did, being hesitant and shouts no the run when Maxwell have been half way down to the wicket..anyway they've still done pretty well.

Think Bangladesh is the most impressive batting team outside the big four and they've shown it today too...they have some catching job to do with their bawling though.

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21 June 2019 - 7:46am
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Yeah that was a terrible call to run from Maxwell. But it would have been better for the team if Khawaja sacrificed himself instead of stopping and turning back even if he thought he would be run out because Maxwell was tearing them apart. They might have reached 400 if he had stayed in. And then Khawaja got out the next ball he faced anyway. Perhaps he felt guilty!

How about Steve Smith's review of his LBW? That was what you might be generous and call "optimistic", if not deluded. I guess you could see in the end that it was missing the left and right stumps as it crashed into the middle stump. 🙄

It didn't matter in the end despite Bangladesh batting well. You're right about their bowling though. It looked like Warner was playing for fun against those bowlers. He was switching stances and hitting right handed pull shots over the top for four for goodness sake.

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The thing is I even think Khawaja could of had a good chance to made that run starting right away as Maxwell did. I'm a Maxwell fan, like those kind of players that don't waste their time on the crease, yeah every now and then you will loose a wicket at the 1st or 2nd ball but generally that's the game should be played imo - brave.
You're right Australians would of been well over 400 if he's been bating through his innings and it's a been a stupid way to be run out and Khawaja could of prevented it making the call earlier but enough on that cause in the end it wasn't a fatal mistake.

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21 June 2019 - 6:19pm
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A great game between Sri Lanka and England today, I've enjoyed it despite it's been a low scoring one.

Even before the game I thought Sri Lanka are quite good with the ball but they certainly have surpassed my expectations and the most impressive thing was that they've had a really low total to defend being not so good with the bat.

In the end Ben Stokes played some great shots and this gave a hope to all the English that they could just clinch it but the rest of the bating line-up wasn't at the Stokes level giving up their wickets for cheap.

I think this result is good for the intrigue in the remaining games cause otherwise it would it be just to determine the exact places between the top 4 teams and now they all have to worry about Sri Lanka breathing in their necks. especially the English who has the toughest fixture reaming of them all, so their remaining matches will be all but a protocol, as for the rest as well knowing they might throw out the favoritezed home side out of the tournament.

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A couple of really good games today, don't know if you have enough time seeing any of those Ed, but it'd definitely worth it.

I've been watching mainly NZ-WI game but switched to India - Pakistan game for their finish after checking the score and the pakistan side have did very well to push all the way the Indians who've been really tensed and even scared if you ask me they could loose that one.

Surely that would of been one of the biggest upsets ever happened to a WC...but it wasn't to be in the end.. a really great effort by the Pakistan players though.

And what about other one...what a thriller...no doubt the game of the tournament so far for me...NZ had to defend a decent 291 score but at a decent batting pitch as Old Trafford.

Some early fireworks by Gayle but he was dropped 3!! times before eventually caught and generally the top order batsmen for WI shouldn't be going so hard and risky cause all the time they were miles ahead of the NZ run rate.
A few overs to go I've checked the odds for a Windies win and they were pretty high at 6.00 so I've had a deep though about it but decide against it in the end, so it wasn't the kiss of death because of me ...but when I think again it's been just the way I'm loosing my stakes recently..in the most devastating way.

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24 June 2019 - 2:19am
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I saw a bit of both games and I really enjoyed Malinga's bowling. He's always been an erratic bowler with that unconventional bowling style but when he gets it right he can be unplayable. I'm not sure who has the uglier bowling action though, Malinga or Bumrah? 😂

Cottrel bowled really well for the West Indies at the start, but when I went to bed NZ were cruising with Williamson and Taylor batting comfortably. From the looks of those highlights the Windies really should have won, especially with the start that Gayle and Hetmyer gave them. My goodness Gayle can hit a ball. It is like he is just swatting flies.

It looks like Afghanistan gave India a real scare in their match. It came down to the final over and Shami got a hat trick to win the game.

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I saw a bit of both games and I really enjoyed Malinga's bowling. He's always been an erratic bowler with that unconventional bowling style but when he gets it right he can be unplayable. I'm not sure who has the uglier bowling action though, Malinga or Bumrah? 😂

Ha-ha...yeah, that's what I thought as well sawing Malinga bowling, more so he doesn't look like the ultimate athlete with that (beer?)belly...but the guy can nails these yorkers..doesn't he!?! 🙂

I think Bumra's action is even more twisted...but if it's works so great for them both..they just didn't have to change it, it's probably too late for that anyway.

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Cottrel bowled really well for the West Indies at the start, but when I went to bed NZ were cruising with Williamson and Taylor batting comfortably. From the looks of those highlights the Windies really should have won, especially with the start that Gayle and Hetmyer gave them. My goodness Gayle can hit a ball. It is like he is just swatting flies.

Sure, Cottrel was quite impressive.

Yeah, they both batted really well and I think WI could of win that by an ease if Gayle and Hetmyer have been a bit more cautious and not trying to smash every ball cause they were well ahead of the rate but I guess it's not in Gayle's nature and Hetyer just too inexperienced for that.
In fact Carlos Brathwaite has been the most impressive WI batter and almost won the game single handedly for them when they thought it's already gone NZ way.

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It looks like Afghanistan gave India a real scare in their match. It came down to the final over and Shami got a hat trick to win the game.

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So.. Australia pretty much dominated England today, better with the ball(especially in the first 10 overs) better on the field and better with the bat.

The English under threat of missing the semis now and they will have to win their remaining two if they want to avoid that but playing like this I don't see that happening, probably there should be some radical changes there but I doubt they would be brave enough to do it so I really could see them going out now.

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Man some of that bowling.. sheesh. I thought Behrendorff's second ball of the innings was a beauty but Starc's yorker to Stokes was absolutely unplayable. It swung both left and right. How is anyone supposed to hit that?

I loved the boundary catch to dismiss Woakes too - the one where Maxwell caught the ball and threw it back to Finch before he stepped over the rope. That is something that has come into the game only in modern times. In the old days they would have crashed into the fence and gone over into the crowd for six (they never used ropes, you had to hit the fence for four or clear it for six). 😂

I can only hope that England crash out and miss the semis. They probably only need to win one more to be sure as they have a very good net run rate, but they have two tough games.

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Yeah those were really great plays you've mentioned there Ed, I though at first Maxwell catch is not that special seeing the replays but when I saw it in real time it's been outstanding.

The Australians looking like they improve with every game and seems to be a tough team to beat now.

With potentially a three teams chasing them (depending on the NZ - Pakistan result today) England would have to make sure they'd win the remaining two games I think, but don't see that coming playing like in the last coupe of matches, I don't want to see them going out cause I support them and I really thought this could be the year for England but I have to say if they're about to be thrown away it won't be undeserved the way they perform.

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Pakistan still hanging in there with a win over the Kiwis, which is their first loss. I think I said a few weeks ago that Pakistan can beat anyone. You just never know if they are going to show up on the day. So more pressure on England I guess?

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Yeah I'm amazed how much Pakistan improved not only from the series against England but from the start of the tournament(despite your call 😉 ), they've been bowling superb but the most impressive thing for me is how sharp they've been on the field.

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So more pressure on England I guess?

Yeah, I suppose so Ed, three teams beside England chasing that 4th spot now.

But I think the India win today is in fact a good result as far as England is concerned,,the Indians could afford to loose a game now(or even two maybe?) and still making to the semis..and that extra motivation is usually what makes the small margins between a defeat or a win.

I'll tell you what... if Sri Lanka and Pakistan win their next games (which is quite likely playing against SA and Afghanistan respectively) they will put England on enormous pressure before their Sunday's game v India...and for me one thing is for certain..if the English loose that one..they're out!...as simple as that.

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You're probably right about England needing to win both games to get to 12 points. Pakistan have two games left against Afghanistan and Bangladesh which are very winnable and that would put them on 11. They look the most likely to me, as Bangladesh and Sri Lanka probably both need to beat India to get into the semis.

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Yeah I'm agree with all you saying there Ed, although the Indians could be more relaxed and make some changes in their squad particularly if they assured the semis entering before the last game.

But still the English had their destiny in their own hands...so no one to blame but themselves if they fail.

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Quite a game yesterday between England and India.

I was really nervy about it, glad England managed to win it but I think they should of done better in their innings, they've made a great start but the total could of been even higher if Bairstow and then Stokes didn't tried some of their trick shots...and I think India could of chased that total, they were quite close in fact..just didn't risked enough in the end which was quite weird having in mind they've had 5 wickets in hand.

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Yeah crucial win by England, you have to hand it to them they produced the game they needed to stay in the tournament.

Sri Lanka beat the Windies but after England won it looks like they are out of contention for the semis as their run rate is so inferior. It looks like the final semi spot is going to come down to England or Pakistan. Working in England's favour is that New Zealand have a much better run rate than Pakistan so they can't miss out even if they lose, so I suspect their motivation levels aren't going to be as high as England's in their final game against each other.

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2 July 2019 - 5:37pm
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Yeah, agree Ed, that was what I've been looking at as well, NZ rr is way better the Pakistan's so it favors them hugely of course, didn't made the exact mat though but it looks pretty straight forward.

Still England are not guaranteed the win but the same could be said for Pakistan against Bangladesh I guess...OK, I'm an England fan but I think they are in fact one of those top four sides in the tournament despite the unexpected losses and they probably should go through.

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Yeah also the washed out matches have come into play now. Pakistan missed a game against Sri Lanka, and Sri Lanka another one against Bangladesh. Either team could have been on 10 points now if those games were played.

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Yeah..agree with what you're saying above, we could say it's a bad luck for those sides..but also something to be considered by the ICC for the future editions of the WC..cause it's just not fair..of course there's always an argument Pakistan could of lost that one.

NZ weren't at their best today..they're not in a good shape lately but also you could feel they could of afford to loose that one..even left out one of their main bowlers out of the squad.

It's quite tough luck on Pakistan to miss out the top 4 like that..someone said they should change the rule to who has won the head to head going trough and Pakistan won against NZ of course but I don't like that..don't like it in football and wouldn't like it for cricket although it could of been probably more fair in this case.

Anyway..just make sure all the teams have played all of their scheduled games and then the NRR would be a fair indicator in my opinion.

How can Pakistan qualify for the Cricket World Cup semi-final?

Pakistan must beat the world record ODI cricket win (290 runs) to make it to the World Cup semi-final.

The full permutations are as follows:

If Pakistan score 350, they must win by 311 runs.
If Pakistan score 400, they must win by 316 runs.
If Pakistan score 450, they must win by 321 runs.
If Bangladesh win the toss and choose to bat, Pakistan are out before a ball has been bowled.

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By the way if we assume the NZ is the 4th team that going trough...which is obviously more than likely I think both Australia but also India will be really keen to win their last games and assure themselves the top spot which will assure they''ll face NZ and not England because of the Kiwis poor form which would make any of those a favorite in such a game.

Also the Indians already faced and lost to England at Edgbaston and do they want the same match up again? Who knows but it's certainly in Australia's hands to get the top spot now.

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Pakistan must beat the world record ODI cricket win (290 runs) to make it to the World Cup semi-final.

The full permutations are as follows:

If Pakistan score 350, they must win by 311 runs.
If Pakistan score 400, they must win by 316 runs.
If Pakistan score 450, they must win by 321 runs.
If Bangladesh win the toss and choose to bat, Pakistan are out before a ball has been bowled.

I admit to not knowing the full ins and outs of Net Run rate, but that last one can't be right can it? What if Bangladesh bat first and Pakistan bowl them out for a low total, then smash through the chase really quickly? I'm pretty sure if a team is bowled out within the 50 overs the NRR is calculated as if they batted the full 50.

The first example, a win by 311 after scoring 350 implies a net run rate for the match of 7 (350 runs in 50 overs) - 0.78 (39 runs in 50 overs) = +6.22.

So if Bangladesh are bowled out for 150 in 25 overs, their run rate is calculated as 3 per over. Then Pakistan chase and get it in 10 overs, their run rate is 15 which would make their NRR +12 for the match. Then of course they have to add it up over their results over the whole tournament. Maybe that is where it falls down?

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You're not the only one Ed...I'm not fully aware my self but I found that on a site and during the live coverage of England - NZ game they've said the same thing..if Bangladesh win the toss and choose to bat Pakistan are effectively out.

Here's what I found as an example...maybe you could do the mat for me?! 😉

How is net run rate calculated in cricket?

Runs scored per over - runs conceded per over

Example:

Match 1

Delhi - 160/5 in 20 overs (8.00 runs per over)

Mumbai - 140/8 in 20 overs (7.00 runs per over)

Now, run rate of Delhi is +1 and run rate of Mumbai is -1.

Match 2

Mumbai - 120/7 in 20 overs (6.00 runs per over)

Delhi - 80 all out, in 17 overs (here, though they batted only 17 overs, they are all out. Thus the runs per over will be calculated using the maximum available overs; that is 20. Thus runs per over is 4.00)

For this match, Mumbai's run rate is +2 and Delhi's is -2.

Now the net run rate (NRR) has to be calculated as follows

Mumbai's NRR

[(140+120)/40] - [(160+80)/40] = 6.5–6 = +0.5

In the same way, Delhi's NRR is = -0.5

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I'm really confused mate..I've tried to calculate your example and i couldn't, but I really sucked at mat in school so you've really caught me there

In fact I have a number and it is +9.1 NRR for Pakistan (in your example) but I think you add that to the total number of..well I'm not really sure how to calculate that.

But I've read Pakistan will be out if Bangladesh bat first on too many sites to have any doubt in that...I'm sure they've done the mat...plus the fact that NZ batters (at least the low order) weren't really bothered to stuck out there and just fight for a few more runs which might be crucial..and that tells me they've done the mat as well.

I'm also curious (like you) how that in fact should be calculated but I'm pretty sure Pakistan would be out if they're not the first team to bat.

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So..what a game it has been between Australia and SA...one of the tournament best if you ask me.
I wasn't too glad to see Australia have lost it cause I thought it would be better for them and England's chances of reaching the final if the Aussies have been won that one but...it wasn't meant to be.

Warner and Carey have been both magnificent and I believed they still got a chance to win when they were like 116-4 (and also Khawadja left injured) when Carey came to the crease, he shown a brilliant form on the tournament and I think he will be a great player for Australia for the future, certainly he's got all the talent.

Too bad the rest of your batting line up weren't up for the task cause if one more of them have been stepped up I believe they could of successfully chase what looked to be a really high score.

But it is what it is...

Hopefully NZ would be up for the task against India and it won't a one sided affair...surely they will have to show a lot better form for that , especially the opening batsmen.

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I don't know how the NRR thing worked out that way, but at least Pakistan got to bat first to give themselves a tiny chance which of course they weren't able to take advantage of. I didn't see any of Australia v South Africa, by the sounds of things it was a good close match. I think that once again shows that Australia are much more vulnerable when batting second, so will be interesting to see what happens at the toss tonight.

The rain hit again last night but at least they saw fit to schedule a second day for the finals games so hopefully they can finish the match with both teams able to bat out a full 50 overs. NZ were going quite slow, it looked like they decided the conditions were no good for all out attack so they wanted to bat out all the overs. They are really going to have to go for it in the 4 or so they have left tonight though because India's batting is so strong. It's hard to see India losing this one from the current position.

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NZ were going quite slow, it looked like they decided the conditions were no good for all out attack so they wanted to bat out all the overs. They are really going to have to go for it in the 4 or so they have left tonight though because India's batting is so strong. It's hard to see India losing this one from the current position.

Ha-ha...yeah I was so mad at the Nz-ers going so slow...what they were thinking!

But obviously they were aware of the conditions and the pitch and knew anything above 200 hundred would give them a chance..we know that now either 😉

But it was an amazing game really, Dhoni and Jadeja almost won the game for India from an impossible position, they've batted really brave and I've had a hard time watching that 🙂 , thought they really might do it.

In the end NZ deserved the victory more I think, India having their 3 superstars batsmen at the top gone for 1 each..so that made the difference for me.

And what about tomorrow Ed? You're pretty quiet about it...let's hope another thriller.

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11 July 2019 - 5:24pm
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Well...I didn't see that coming, will save you the comments about today's game Ed cause you probably didn't fancy chat about it 😉

Just hope to be an entertaining final.

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15 July 2019 - 12:10am
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LOL I was going to chat about both India and Australia missing out (bad luck that is tournament sport) but then that final just happened. It sounds like it was just as good or even better than the Australia vs South Africa tie that I posted earlier in this thread.

I am sad to say I only watched NZ bat and by then it was about midnight. Having seen England demolish Australia with a similar total I thought they would win easily despite the pitch looking like a green top that helped the bowlers. So I went to bed and didn't watch England bat. I was kind of annoyed with the NZ batting at the end. For example the batsman ducked the final ball and didn't even try to run a bye for goodness sake. "Normal" practice is to swing wildly and run no matter what on the final ball, with the non striker backing up about half way up the pitch so that the wicket keeper can't run him out. That could have won them the world cup in the end.

As for the ending, well I have to confess I have never seen a super over "shootout" before. I didn't even know that rule existed, plus I was kind of puzzled how England could participate as they were bowled out. That said I would have expected either England to win in a tie due to finishing higher on the table or NZ to win because they took more wickets than England in the match. But to tie in the first place due to rotten luck of the deflection of the throw off the bat for four extra runs, then to play the extra over and tie again, and then to lose due to the rule of number of boundaries hit is a massive slap in the face to New Zealand. I feel so sorry for them. Surely there are better tie breakers than that. I think that the fact NZ bowled England out should count for more than an arbitrary number like boundaries hit. Or why not just play another super over each until there is a winner?

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