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Just in case anyone beside here me fancies this sport.

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The cricket world cup is definitely ripe for upsets. Most of the teams can beat each other aside from Afghanistan and Bangladesh who are not very good. So it just takes one bad or unlucky day for one of the favourites to go out. Teams with good swing bowlers usually do well in English conditions. It also goes on for what is going to seem like forever, they don't finish until the middle of July, so there is plenty of time for form to change and players to get injured etc.

England beat SA comfortably last night. Did you see the outfield catch by Ben Stokes? It was a jumping one handed back-handed catch, really amazing.

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31 May 2019 - 11:13am
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Yeah I saw almost the whole game yesterday so I didn't miss Stokes catch either...wow, he couldn't believe he in fact made it 😉 Definitely the highlight moment so far.

I haven't be able to see most of the teams in action this year but I'd add to the mentioned by you Afghanistan and Bangladesh the team of Pakistan, they've been on a tour in England for the last couple of months and I thought I was not impressed by them at all, young squad and not really up for it I think.

The pitches are very flat and the sub-continent teams might struggle to get their spin bowling going (to which they count a lot of course) but those would hope of a really hot summer which could change the conditions.

As I said I haven't seen most of the contenders but if I exclude SA as well for one of the top 4 places it would be between 5 or 6 teams for the semis spots(not sure about Sri Lanka too)

It's expected Australians to be booed as you probably know and especially Steve Smith so would be curious how that 'd reflect the team.

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Almost everyone in cricket dislikes the Australian cricket team (half of Australia included) so I don't think they will care if they are booed. They are used to it. It's mainly because they were a bunch of low class arrogant dicks while they were beating everyone for about two decades. Now they aren't winning so much any more and the rest of the world isn't scared of them and are giving it right back to them.

I wouldn't write Pakistan off so soon. I know they were pathetic in their first game but they are regular surprise packets, coming up with 17 year old superstars out of nowhere.

There was the first reasonably big upset last night: Bangladesh beat South Africa who have now lost their first two games.

And my favourite player to watch: Chris Gayle from the West Indies. He got 50 in his first match but this 50 he hit in the Big Bash League here in Australia was better. Enjoy!

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Yeah the guy is a best obviously, think I saw him first time at the 2016 T20 WC when he scored a hundred in the opening game.
That 50 has been remarkable for sure..I don't think the bowlers have been doing any favors themselves with the full tosses and the short balls though but it has to be quite a pressure throwing at that guy knowing he could smash literally almost anything.

Yorkers should be a good idea against him being so tall but of course these are not easy to execute.

But T20 blast..!? Common Ed I thought you are serious test cricket fan 😉

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I wouldn't write Pakistan off so soon. I know they were pathetic in their first game but they are regular surprise packets, coming up with 17 year old superstars out of nowhere.

Ha-ha...you've been quite right about Pakistan mate and I don't know nothing really 🤷 🙂

It's been quite a good game between them and England today, after loosing 12 in a row in ODI format and 4 straight in the England tour just prior to the WC they finally show some class...amazing turnaround after the humiliating loss v West Indies..well at least for me.

Still Pakistan have to be top of their game(which they were) and England really sloppy in the field all day long (which I think was the difference in that game) for Pakistan to be able to win that.

Still I think this loss could have a sobering effect over the English team(hopefully) as they were flying a bit too high in my opinion, if they reach the semis at all!
As for Pakistan I think it would be tough for them to be in the first 4 places being so up and down...but the last time they've won the WC - 1992 they've been loosing 4 of their first 5 games...so who knows...not me obviously.

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But T20 blast..!? Common Ed I thought you are serious test cricket fan 😉

I am indeed. But who can resist enjoying seeing someone slog a 50 off only 12 balls?

Heheh I told you not to write off Pakistan. They are probably the most unpredictable team in world cricket.

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Yeah..this scoreline would make the WC even better I think.

Now the rest of the teams would know they could not underestimate Pakistan despite their poor run of results.

As for the English..they lacking character I think, a lot of talent in the bating lineup there but always struggle when the game not going as expected, for me the only English players that showing real strength in character are the Curran brothers but the one they've brought here can't even make the team in the first couple of games...not his fault that really.

But would be curious how they will react to this defeat...could only make the tournament better IMO.

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Nice game today, I thought the Australians are in big trouble after being 79/5 at one point and I thought it might be impossible for them to even reach the 150 mark then but your countrymen shown an outstanding character (as we know they often do) to defeat a really strong WI side.

Steve Smith bating performance was the keen for me for Australia to able to reach a really decent bating total and Finch aggressive captaincy putting his best bowlers at a vital moments in the game and not just saving them for the latest stages of the game as some skiers would of done.

I think though both those teams would reach the semis as WI have been quite impressive themselves despite the loss.

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I was switching back and forth between that game and the French Open, and with Barty winning and Australia collapsing I watched less and less cricket. It's going to be even worse in a few days when the women's world cup football starts. Its a great time to be a sports nut!

But 5/79 was the point I decided to go to bed and I fully expected them to have lost when I woke up. I was surprised to read they won in the morning. So it's a good win but they won't be able to get away with too many more starts like that. I like Khawaja but he looked like a deer caught in the headlights with that short fast bowling. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets dropped after that.

South Africa look to be the big flops of this tournament. 3 games, 3 losses now. It is hard to see them coming back from that.

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I like Khawaja but he looked like a deer caught in the headlights with that short fast bowling. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets dropped after that.

Maybe they would going to drop him Ed..but I don't see too many of the rest of the teams being capable of using the short ball the way WI bowlers did against him, they have like 4 guys 1,90 tall bawling that extra pace and bounce and hit 'em in the helmet which definitely shakes him a bit.

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South Africa look to be the big flops of this tournament. 3 games, 3 losses now. It is hard to see them coming back from that.

Yeah it looks there's no way back for them especially when their next game is against WI and I can't see SA winning that the way they play so far but if they could possibly win this...it would give them a lot of confidence for the rest of the games, so let's see.

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Well they didn't drop Khawaja and to be fair he made over 40 in quick time but then got out trying to play the most ridiculous shot. India just put too many runs on the board for Australia to chase and the pressure got to them in the end when they needed quick runs. Warner has been unusually slow this tournament. Normally he gets them off to a very quick start and that was exactly what they needed this time. Instead he played like it was one day cricket from the mid 1990s when 250 was seen as a good score.

South Africa vs the Windies tonight. If SA lose that one surely they are finished.

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Yeah I believe Australia were too conservative in their approach in the first power-play and even the first 25-30 overs.
Warner and Khawaja definitely out of touch but I don't think the rest of the top order have been that good either, the only really good playing batsman was Alex Carrey who though didn't have enough time at the crease.

India had a great last 10 over spell in their innings so you can't expect to match that(or even getting close) if Australia's total wasn't higher than India's entering the last, so for me they should have been definitely more aggressive in their shot selection in the fist part of the innings even risking loosing a couple of wickets.

Of course it's always super tough chasing these high scores but the required run rate seems to always increasing if you're not tend to risk enough with your batting but saying all that why they had to chase so big total at first place...don't think Australians have been too good with the ball either and maybe that's the main reason they've lost that game.

Yeah...win or go home for SA in this one...I don't fancy their chances against the really good looking WI side to be honest though.

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Oh yeah for sure if you bowl that badly and give away 350+ you're going to lose 99 times out of 100.

SA vs Windies was another washout. I can't believe they didn't consider this when organising the tournament and allow the teams to play or finish their matches the following day. Giving each team 1 point and saying bad luck isn't good enough for a world cup.

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Yeah that was what I've been thinking today as well Ed, I wasn't even sure what the rules are so I've checked the standings and saw they added WI and SA a point each as for Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka for their previous abandoned matches.

I guess they could always say there's no free dates for replays or that would give an unfair advantage to the teams who have to face those with games canceled if they have to play 2 matches in 3 days for example...but it's not too fair either way in my opinion...

Sri Lanka have two abandoned matches only one win and 4 points in a result which to say the least is a bit weird...
And what if that happen in the last round of matches and the margin between 1 and 2 points make a difference for some of the teams to qualify for the semis or not..and even now WI could argue being 29/2 that they've potentially been on their winning way against SA but get just a point from it...so literally the weather would decide how the table will look like in the end.

And generally yeah..they should think of something...probably the matches to be finished as soon as the weather allows that..and the rest of the matches being rescheduled just like in tennis...another sport which is dependent from the weather conditions.

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I think they should just schedule two days for every match just in case. It wouldn't require much extra organisation. The real killer is if a team misses out on a match where they would probably have a win and a big gain on their run rate difference (eg against Afghanistan or Bangladesh).

I watched Australia bat last night and I thought they were on their way to 350+ but they screwed it up royally in the end and only just passed 300. I went to bed thinking they might just lose the game after that but they did well in the end to bowl Pakistan out for 266.

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Yeah agree with you Ed, shouldn't be that hard to reschedule these games, today another one abandoned because of the weather and there's might be some really upset teams in the end if they miss the semis because of that, any of those teams could argue they could of won the game if they were able to in fact play it so...

I saw just the Australia innings from that one and just as you I thought they are on their way to a really high score after an excellent opening partnership but didn't finished the job with the bat..in fairness to Pakistan and Amir he was great getting those 5 wickets...but all's well ends well I guess.

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Yeah wow another washout. I guess we should not be surprised seeing as they are playing in rainy England. But neither should the organisers who are starting to look more than a little naive for not planning for this.

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I've been quite ecstatic the competition will be held in England this time round so the games are in the most appropriate time for me to watch it here but like you said I can't believe they didn't thought it could be quite rainy .... like most of the time there.

And what then if it's still so rainy when it's time for the semis and the final..they would toss a coin of who's going trough but only after the pitch inspection confirming the pitch is dry enough for that 😉...or maybe we could have a ...2 World Champions 🙂

Anyway...joke aside...from what I've heard it's going to be a sunny weather from now so hopefully for the fans(and organizers) the forecast wouldn't be a wrong one.

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So Australians have won another one...it was a bit sloppy batting performance again from the low order but they've had a great platform build by their top order so a high total defend in the end.

But the way Sri Lanka started their batting in the power-play I thought they could make a historic chase..but wasn't to be...that costed me a bit of money to be honest but I thought the high odds worth the try.

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And what then if it's still so rainy when it's time for the semis and the final..they would toss a coin of who's going trough but only after the pitch inspection confirming the pitch is dry enough for that 😉...or maybe we could have a ...2 World Champions 🙂

You laugh but after all these washed out matches I read an article that said that is actually the official rule. I think they do have a backup day scheduled for the finals. But if both days for the final are washed out they will call the two teams joint winners!

Yeah again I only saw the first innings and Australia did well, though again probably should have got 20 or 30 more. There was some amazing hitting by Finch. From the highlights I saw it looked like Sri Lanka were on fire early but once they lost a couple of wickets they fell apart.

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You laugh but after all these washed out matches I read an article that said that is actually the official rule. I think they do have a backup day scheduled for the finals. But if both days for the final are washed out they will call the two teams joint winners!

Wow...I supposed to be joking there 🙂 ...I'm really amazed to read that...and you know what Ed...I'd love to see that happening...just for the laugh...yeah,seriously...it would be hilarious and ridiculous thing to happen in the same time!

Probably you know there's a European football champion decided by a coin toss back in the 50's if I'm not mistaken...so that's impossible today in football..but obviously not in cricket.

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Yeah again I only saw the first innings and Australia did well, though again probably should have got 20 or 30 more. There was some amazing hitting by Finch. From the highlights I saw it looked like Sri Lanka were on fire early but once they lost a couple of wickets they fell apart.

You're right , that's exactly what happened with Sri Lanka batting there..by the way I think it's been a massive result that one for them...
As it stands now we have the 4 top teams separated from the rest by 2 points with Australia having the worst NRR figures despite being top of the table so in my opinion WI are the only team who could challenge the top 4 places but they don't look enough consistent for that and had an abandon game themselves which they potentially would of won...as it stands right now I don't see top 4 being changed till the end of the group stage.

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Only in cricket can stuff like this happen. South Africa bowled Afghanistan out for 125 but because of more rain the game was shortened and SA had a recalculated target of ... 127 ... in less overs. Obviously they won easily but that is insane.

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Yeah Ed, it doesn't make sense for me either 👎

Surely they should consider changing some of the archaic (and not only) rules about the game to be in stride with the modern times, probably they are loosing a bit of money not conducting some of the matches like tickets return, TV rights and so on..that's not a very good business approach in today's world probably

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What a chase by Bangladesh yesterday against WI...what you were saying Ed - one of the two huge outsiders in the tournament!?! 😉 They've completed it in 41.3 overs...how about that.

But for me that result just confirms that the 4 teams at the top would not have any troubles reaching the semis..if something extraordinary happens...and I don't see that coming really.

And what a performance by Eoin Morgan today..breaking all kind of batting records, here's it in case you've missed it.

Yeah..I know what you'll say there Ed.. 🙂 that's been against the weakest team of the tournament and you're right but it was still impressive..probably now every English fan would be overexcited about it and like usually happened before with the English team(no matter if we speak of cricket or football) they''ll fail in the end..but common even you as an Australian have to admit they'd deserved it if they got there in the end...the homeland of cricket..they should be a champions at least once...!

For me(and I'm following closely the English side for years now) they have the most deepest and talented batting line up from all teams..it's another theme for the bowlers though...but they're good enough too.

I'd really fancy England to reach the final if they facing NZ at the semis, 50/50 v India and against Australia...like always Aussies will find a way to get under the Englishmen skins..you're a very tough b*****ds there Ed(in the good sense of course 🙂 ) and if it's about final England v Australia I think the English can prevail there..the atmosphere will be frenetic and that could relieve some of the pressure from the English team... if that makes any sense...that's the psychology as far as I could feel it.

Frankly speaking I don't see Australia winning it..unless they face NZ at the final..they have their issues in squad and I think they didn't find the optimal bowling attack so far...it has to be between India and England but of course those two could meet at the semis.

Saying all that I wouldn't be frustrated at all to see NZ winning it...yeah I'm a romantic person...probably 😉

So what's you're thought about all this?

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I was watching an episode of Black Mirror so I missed Morgan's innings. I figured the game wouldn't be much of a contest or worth watching. They didn't show it in those really short highlights but I did see Moeen Ali go off with the bat at the end of the innings. He smashed about 30 off 8 balls with some great clean hitting.

I know they are outsiders but I'm not that surprised that Bangladesh beat the West Indies. Neither team are up there with the best and the Windies are pretty weak these days, certainly a long way from where they used to be back in the 1980s.

If Australia can't win it I would like to see New Zealand do it.

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Speaking of world cup final matches, one of the greatest ever was Australia vs South Africa in the 1999 world cup semi final.

Australia should have won it comfortably but Lance Klusener who was one of the best hitters I have ever seen just kept South Africa in it with some amazing batting. In the second last over Paul Reiffel dropped Klusener which would have won the match but even worse he spilled it over the rope for 6. South Africa needed 9 off the final over to win. Klusener smashed the first two balls for four and they had it in the bag. You'll have to watch what happened next. It is one of the greatest chokes in cricket history.

Last two overs with English commentary:

Extended highlights with typical out of control Aussie commentary from Bill Lawry:

Poor Allan Donald. He lost his nerve so completely that he dropped his bat and almost stood there unable to move. It goes to show how much the game has changed even since then. Look at the scores.. only 214 needed to win.

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Here are some classics featuring the master finisher Michael Bevan. The man was an incredible one day batsman who won so many games for Australia. I rate him as the best I've ever seen. He didn't smash sixes everywhere like the modern players. He just worked the ball around the field into the gaps relentlessly and was so fast he could regularly turn a single into a 2 before the fielders realised what was happening.

This one was Australia vs the West Indies in Sydney on new year's day 1996. I remember listening to this one on the radio because in those days they did not show the match live on TV in the city that the game was played. I switched it off when Australia were 6/38 and went and played video games or something else. Worst decision ever.

And another Bevan classic innings in some kind of charity match between Asia and Rest of the World teams. He was robbed of victory in this one by a dodgy "no four" call earlier in the match, and by his teammate Andy Caddick who was run out not grounding his bat on the second last ball which would have at least given them a tie.

This era of cricket was the best in my opinion. Huge crowds, competitive games, and lots of interest. The internet, IPL and 20-20 has killed a lot of interest in the game outside India these days.

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I was watching an episode of Black Mirror so I missed Morgan's innings. I figured the game wouldn't be much of a contest or worth watching. They didn't show it in those really short highlights but I did see Moeen Ali go off with the bat at the end of the innings. He smashed about 30 off 8 balls with some great clean hitting.

Yeah Moeen did very well himself..it was impressive having in mind he didn't show any signs of good batting form at the tournament so far...but really Morgan's performance was what set the tone for all after him, maybe you could get a better idea about it from this..and they've dropped him at 28!

https://www.cricketworldcup.com/video/1249442/cwc19-eng-v-afg-eoin-morga...

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If Australia can't win it I would like to see New Zealand do it.

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Speaking of world cup final matches, one of the greatest ever was Australia vs South Africa in the 1999 world cup semi final.

Australia should have won it comfortably but Lance Klusener who was one of the best hitters I have ever seen just kept South Africa in it with some amazing batting. In the second last over Paul Reiffel dropped Klusener which would have won the match but even worse he spilled it over the rope for 6. South Africa needed 9 off the final over to win. Klusener smashed the first two balls for four and they had it in the bag. You'll have to watch what happened next. It is one of the greatest chokes in cricket history.

Poor Allan Donald. He lost his nerve so completely that he dropped his bat and almost stood there unable to move. It goes to show how much the game has changed even since then. Look at the scores.. only 214 needed to win.

Yeah, what a game really...a frenetic finish.

First of all I can't believe that guy Klusener bating at what 8th, 9th?

But the SAns have definitely been lucky before the last bowl, the dropped catch for six and then the missed run out at the perpetual ball...Alan Donald should of gone then...but that just shows in what state of mind he was then...at the run out chance he was like 3m in to start the run and the next ball he just got frozen...never even started running...probably didn't even heard his colleague shout for a run and they might called that a suicidal run with two balls to go but in fact it seems to me quite possible if Donald have been aware of what Klusener trying to do.

Just a lack of communication for me..and there was no guarantees Klusener will connect properly in any of the last two balls when the field is ll over them and the tension enormous so I think he has the right intentions just a bad communication and execution...but no doubt the Aussies have shown their great fighting spirit again for which they're known.

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Here are some classics featuring the master finisher Michael Bevan. The man was an incredible one day batsman who won so many games for Australia. I rate him as the best I've ever seen. He didn't smash sixes everywhere like the modern players. He just worked the ball around the field into the gaps relentlessly and was so fast he could regularly turn a single into a 2 before the fielders realised what was happening.

This one was Australia vs the West Indies in Sydney on new year's day 1996. I remember listening to this one on the radio because in those days they did not show the match live on TV in the city that the game was played. I switched it off when Australia were 6/38 and went and played video games or something else. Worst decision ever.

And another Bevan classic innings in some kind of charity match between Asia and Rest of the World teams. He was robbed of victory in this one by a dodgy "no four" call earlier in the match, and by his teammate Andy Caddick who was run out not grounding his bat on the second last ball which would have at least given them a tie.

Ha-ha.. obviously that's been a really bad choice from you Ed 😉

And Yeah, apparently he's been a great batter.

I've started watching cricket in the middle to the late 90's here so I've definitely have seen him in play(if I remember Shane Warn 🙂 ) just not that often cause it was only Sky Sports here back then and without any net streams(which I'm aware of anyway) didn't have many memories of the Australian side and Bevan in particular.

Like you said...not one of those big hitters of who we have many in the game these days but yeah..apparently a great player.

By the way I think there's still room for this kind of batsmen in the shorter formats..we could think of the lights of Joe Root and Kane Williamson who are among the best without being able to hit those big sixes as the power strikers.

Root is even part of the England T20 squad and still has a really decent batting strike rate at 99.72 despite not hitting that many boundaries and as you said about Bevan he's very good too in finding the gaps and manipulating the field.

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This era of cricket was the best in my opinion. Huge crowds, competitive games, and lots of interest. The internet, IPL and 20-20 has killed a lot of interest in the game outside India these days.

Do you think so...!?!

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