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Since we have EPL and CL topics all ready I thought it could be a good idea to have one thread for all of the other top (or not) domestic football leagues.

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4 November 2019 - 7:52pm
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You' sound really frustrated from the Sydney derby game Ed...have you visited the stadium for this one?

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As luck would have it for Western Sydney the A-League does not have goal line cameras or technology because they say it is too expensive. Yet they shelled out hundreds of thousands of dollars for Hawkeye technology (like in tennis) in the off season so they can spot offside where the strikers big toe is three millimetres in front of a defender.

Yeah, that would of be my question..why they didn't have these watches anyway..too expensive!! Common that would it be a one time investment probably...the stadiums are full...apparently...and probably millions watching the games on the TV..they surely should be able to afford that.

By the way that was a brilliant WS goal...isn't it?! 😉
One of the most beautiful ones I've seen in a while... I'm not their fan at all but I might become one...😛... yeah picking the wrong teams usually..😂😂

In your team's defense I must admit they've been really unlucky...(I really enjoyed the casual effort of the gk catching that ball behind the goal line...😀😀 should of react quicker probably) but on other hand Sydney FC had all the time in the world to respond to the goal being scored in the 19th min...so I guess no excuse for that...anyway I guess that's been just one of those days for your team Ed...

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Anyway it is pretty unanimous here now that everyone hates the VAR.

Yeah..who I've been spoken to here either...so am I the only one who kind of like it..!?!

In the end there's a clear & obvious mistakes that could be fixed...right?! If that's worth the 5min delay is probably another theme...🙂

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Frankfurt gave Bayern a 5-1 lesson the other day and Bayern decided to give Kovac the sack. Its a good time to be a Frankfurt supporter! 😂

Yeah, that was one of the few games I've been able to see this weekend ( out of town relatives in the house🍺)...and I must admit the sent off was a bit debateful but on the other hand Bayern were lucky that wasn't a penalty too...in the end I think it was the right decision (thanks to VAR!! mate😉) cause I think the ref has given just a yellow in real time.

Didn't even knew Kovac has been sacked😮 Too bad!... they should of kept him for longer...now I'm worried...😉

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Yeah it was very frustrating but in hindsight Sydney had only themselves to blame as they missed about 5 good chances while Wanderers scored with their only shot on goal. It was a beautiful header though, no doubt. I didn't get to that game which was a shame. Western Sydney has just opened a brand new stadium which has European style steep seating so everyone in the crowd has a good view and is very close to the action. I have been told it is fantastic so I hope to get out there if they play each other again later this season.

Yep Kovac is gone and he was undone by the team he left. It is funny how often that sort of thing seems to happen. Either to coaches or players when they score against their old club as soon as they return there. Oxlade-Chamberlain did it for Liverpool the other night in the 5-5 cup game.

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I didn't get to that game which was a shame. Western Sydney has just opened a brand new stadium which has European style steep seating so everyone in the crowd has a good view and is very close to the action. I have been told it is fantastic so I hope to get out there if they play each other again later this season.

Wow, congrats on that, you should definitely go there and check it when there's decent enough game...I guess it's better that way even if the tallest guy in the stadium sits right in front of you..😉...somehow I've always managed to attract these people when I've been in the crowd😉

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Yep Kovac is gone and he was undone by the team he left. It is funny how often that sort of thing seems to happen. Either to coaches or players when they score against their old club as soon as they return there. Oxlade-Chamberlain did it for Liverpool the other night in the 5-5 cup game.

Yeah, it's weird isn't it...but who knows maybe someday Kovac would be an Eintracht manager again..who knows...not now obviously...
For me will be curious who will be next Bayern coach...read somewhere that Wenger could be...don't know if there's any truth in that though.

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Knowing Bayern they will probably bring in one of their old managers like Heynckes to see out the season perhaps. Surely they won't go for our friend Jose?

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Knowing Bayern they will probably bring in one of their old managers like Heynckes to see out the season perhaps.

Ha-ha...this is exactly what I thought...it would be like his 3-4 spell there, man.. I don't want to see that he will win them the league...let the man retired😉

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Interesting idea Ed, I don't believe they would go that way but lets see...probably even he could win the Bundesliga with Bayern...the guy stated he's realized his mistakes and improved his philosophy (or something similar)...so maybe a new improved Mourinho will attack all the time...nah 😂😂

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I'd say that is ... unlikely. 😀

Unfortunately they smashed Dortmund on the weekend and Lewandowski scored again.

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Probably unfortunately not the right term in this one Ed...I saw the game for the biggest part..

Dortmund were again afraid playing their style as the last year when they concede 5...is not about class in these game or not as much as in the rest of it anyway..it's about character and believe...go there and play your style..!(obviously Dortmund can't defend properly as a unit) so the question with them is can they outscore the opponent and when you loose that game 2-1 or 3-2 Bayern team would still have the respect...not the case now...I doubt they respect Dortmund as a club either, not just the current team...cause the difference in class(if any) is not that huge as this and last year results suggest..that's for sure.

So if we use any word to describe Dortmund's team attitude probably should be spineless, pity, cowardly...and fortunate and unfortunate just in regard to result..i.e probably could of been worst.

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Frankfurt gave Bayern a 5-1 lesson the other day and Bayern decided to give Kovac the sack. Its a good time to be a Frankfurt supporter! 😂

And that right there is the kiss of death in print.

Since then they have lost 3 in a row, and the captain sent off and suspended for deliberately knocking over the opposition coach!

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Ha-ha..yeah too bad for Eintracht having a black magic supporter like you Ed...😉

The worst news for me is that Bayern will obviously have another free run to the title after all of the rest not able to show any consistent form at all...👎

Check the Hoffehenheim own goal ( I think it was the second goal in their home match v Mainz)..I've had a fun time watching it live...needed a few replays to realize what the def exactly has done there... just wasn't able to find a decent video to show you that...

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Can you see this video? It might be Australia only, it would work if you have a VPN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgGGMzkUxoE

That is quite an incredible win for Mainz after having a player sent off. That own goal is hilarious, it reminds me of the goal Hernandez scored for Man United where he smashed it in off his own face. 😂

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No Ed it's restricted here, I don't have a VPN since removing the Opera browser but I saw the game almost in full and got your point..you're right the own goal was so hilarious..the guy go for the ball with his foot...and ended up scoring a great header..😂😂😂 I've enjoyed it a big time...

Yeah definitely Mainz were deadly on counters but the Hoffenheim defense was just hilarious especially when it's about 11 v 10..I've been worried that their GK could have a hard attack or something yelling at the defenders all the time...by the way Hoffenheim team had a decent chances themselves and who knows what might of happen if they were able to score one or two of them earlier in the game..they've been a bit unlucky I think but definitely no excuse for that defending second half.

I have a slight memory about that Hernandez own goal...but of course you should remember it better if it's been so much pleasurable for you...I guess😉

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Hernandez wasn't an own goal, but still probably one of the funniest goals ever scored. Enjoy!

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Ha-ha..yeah I kind of remember that even though I forgot it wasn't about an own goal...not sure the initial shot would of gone in to be honest...but the header made it sure...😉😂😂

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I watched a bit of Dortmund vs Leipzig this morning and that was a very entertaining match that finished 3-3. The game had it all: terrible goalkeeping and defending, some Christmas present goals for Timo Werner and a couple of good goals too. Julian Brandt scored after this little two touch pirouette in the box which was magnificent.

Leipzig still top of the table but Borussia Mönchengladbach (I admit I copy+pasted that 😀) has a game in hand.

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Sounds like it's been a great game...too bad I've missed that one...surely would of watched it if I was aware there's a midweek games.

But that's probably a perfect result for Bayern , I believe those are the two teams that could potentially winning the league except for Munich of course, don't believe Gladbach could do it although to be very honest I didn't see a single game of theirs this season.

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Leipzig still top of the table but Borussia Mönchengladbach (I admit I copy+pasted that 😀) has a game in hand.

Still useful info for me Ed, sometimes being so lazy to even check the standings across top European leagues.

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You can enjoy Brandt's goal here

Well Mönchengladbach won their game in hand but so did Bayern, the lucky buggers were drawing with 1-1 Freiburg but scored twice in injury time to win 3-1. Frankfurt are on a shocking run. They lost again 4-2 today and haven't won a game since beating Arsenal in the Europa in November.

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I've been watching Bayern game yesterday (along with United one which was so boring by the way) and I thought they could of score 3 or 4 before 20 min in but after that Freiburg side have grown into the game and created a lot of chances...but my feeling always was that if the home side fail to score 2nd Bayern will make them pay in the end...unfortunately that's exactly what happened - 2 in the stoppage time...really harsh on the home team.

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some Christmas present goals for Timo Werner...

I saw the highlights from the Dortmund game as well...yeah nice goal from Brand but he was guilty (to say the least) then for second Lepzig goal...

We both know Dortmund can't defend but the first two Leipzig goals...I'm just speechless...that's the ultimate mess...complete shambles...beyond any sloppiness...don't know even how to describe it.

And because those two teams can't defend at all Bayern are still the biggest favorites for me...they will be right there in the end...but of course hopefully I'm wrong.

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You can enjoy Brandt's goal here

Well Mönchengladbach won their game in hand but so did Bayern, the lucky buggers were drawing with 1-1 Freiburg but scored twice in injury time to win 3-1.

Didn't saw the Gladbach match but credit to them for keeping up the pace...of course no one expected they'd lead the table and I can just hope they'd be able to be a competitor till the very end but I just can't see that...

At this stage I'd be happy to see anyone outside Bayern M winning the league...but as I already mention they're still the favs for me..of course it will depend whether they'd appoint a new manager and when...

If you have to choose a winner who that would be Ed?

Dortmund just shambles at the back so they couldn't for me, really doubt about Gladbach and I'm not sure about Leipzig especially if they sell Werner in January as some rumors suggest...so has to Bayern again...not again!!

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Frankfurt are on a shocking run. They lost again 4-2 today and haven't won a game since beating Arsenal in the Europa in November.

Yeah I saw they're just 4 points above the relegation zone...

I guess you could always expected a tough season for them after the heroics in the last one...it usually happens with clubs from their level being involved in Europe as well...

I think as long as they're safe enough in the mid table of the Bundesliga they could think of concentrating in making a really good run in EL...and it could be quite successful season for them...just be sure you won't be relegated first.

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I'd pick Frankfurt to win of course 😉 but that clearly isn't going to happen this season. Hopefully Mönchengladbach or Dortmund instead. Anyone but Bayern or Leipzig!

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For me it's just anyone but Bayern Ed😉

But probably they and Leipzig will finish first and second...without mentioning the exact order.

I'm amazed no one took the Leipzig coach years before them...in my opinion he'd be perfect for a team like Dortmund or Leverkuzen.

Generally I kind of like Dortmund but I wouldn't put a penny to them winning..anything really ...they're just shambles at the back.

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So, what happens with Sydney FC Ed?

Wasn't following the A-legue for a bit but just recently heard they dominating the championship and checked some results and the table, so they are the equivalent of who...Juventus, Bayern, or even Liverpool...😛
Can't stand that all those teams have been dominating their leagues and the fact Sydney FC kit looks so similar to that of Man City doesn't help me like them more at all😉

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Yeah they are the Aussie Liverpool! haha. I have to admit it is not a bad time to be a supporter of both clubs. The fact they are dominating is surprising because of the salary cap system we have here which has usually evened things up to a degree. There are no transfer fees between A-League teams either so as soon as a player starts playing really well a load of other clubs want to sign them for the next season. It is hard for their club to stop it because they are restricted in how much they can pay due to the salary cap. Sydney have recruited well and done well to maintain the core of their team over a few years too.

They certainly aren't the Australian arm of Man City. In fact we do have Melbourne City which is owned by the City Football Group and when they took over they changed the club's red and white colours to City's sky blue which clashes with Sydney now. It is really a way for them to try to get around the salary cap by doing things like signing Australian players to Man City then loaning them back to Melbourne City. That is the club where Aaron Mooy came from when he moved to England. He was contracted to Man City but then loaned to Huddersfield. They probably made loads on transfer fees in the process.

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Yeah they are the Aussie Liverpool! haha. I have to admit it is not a bad time to be a supporter of both clubs. The fact they are dominating is surprising because of the salary cap system we have here which has usually evened things up to a degree. There are no transfer fees between A-League teams either so as soon as a player starts playing really well a load of other clubs want to sign them for the next season. It is hard for their club to stop it because they are restricted in how much they can pay due to the salary cap. Sydney have recruited well and done well to maintain the core of their team over a few years too.

I know there's a salary cap in many other sports (the American professional leagues) but it's the first time I hear it's been implemented in football.

Generally I'm a supporter of this system to be implemented globally in soccer, don't get me wrong I think the cap should be kept really high so the richest/biggest teams will still have their advantage but still there's have to be some limit of their spendings which would not change the game drastically but at least controlling the gap a bit.

They tried to do that with the FFP but I'm not sure how effectively that works...if at all.

You mentioned some of the downsides (are those a downsides in fact?!) but probably the Sydney FC domination ruined my arguments but maybe that's because how effectively they've been working in comparison to the rest of the clubs and a prof that you could still be well above the rest if dealing smartly?

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A few years ago I would have said that it really evens things up, but now I am not so sure. I remember one season where three or four teams tied for first place and the title was decided on goal difference. But the last few years Sydney has been very smart about their recruitment and have consistently finished first or second.

The thing is that there are all sorts of exemptions and clauses that allow a team to spend more than the actual cap. For example each team can have a couple of marquee players that are exempt from the cap. There are also loyalty and youth player discounts so if you have players that either come through from the youth team or stay at the same club for many years then their salary might only count 50% towards the cap. So there are many ways that clubs can spend more than the cap if they have the means and they plan things smartly and retain their players over time.

I listened to this podcast about it the other day which was very interesting. They talk to a couple of the CEOs at clubs here and they explain a lot about the cap and all the things they have to think about when running a club in the a-league.

We have a unique league here and most of the overseas coaches who come here really struggle. Robbie Fowler is not doing well, and Markus Babbel just lost his job and he has been in the media criticising the league and referees etc. Babbel comes across as a giant whiner who really does not appear to be a particularly good coach. But when you remember that there is a salary cap, maximum 5 foreigners per team, VAR, playing in summer and loads of other little things it makes me think that appointing him or any other foreign coach who does not know the players and the league maybe is not such a good idea in the first place.

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It's interesting for me all that you saying about it Ed,
I'm listening to the podcast in the moment, to be honest seems quite a complicated matter to me, but I'm not aware at all about it and I guess this just proves the more complicated a particular job/business is the more it matters to use your brain and take advantage from it's weaknesses, or just dealing smartly.

For example the NHL teams in the States I know they have a huge number of people dealing with these exact things and I'm not sure the Australian football teas have this kind of a number of personnel but still apparently some of them have been doing a pretty good job.

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Yeah they probably don't have the budgets to have more than 1 or 2 people working on it. The budget for each team is $3.2 million which probably wouldn't even pay the salary of one top NHL player.

I quite like the loyalty and youth player discount idea as it encourages clubs to develop and stick with their own players. But on the other hand there are no transfer fees between A-League clubs which makes it easy for players to move. And if an overseas club comes in with an offer of $500k+ for any player it is almost impossible for them to say no.

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But on the other hand there are no transfer fees between A-League clubs which makes it easy for players to move. And if an overseas club comes in with an offer of $500k+ for any player it is almost impossible for them to say no.

Yeah I guess that would always be a problem when the system is completely different to that in the rest of the world.

But I thought most of the local players look for a European or South American transfer anyway?

And if that's the case probably the only issue would be the A-league teams getting a fair compensation for them?

How the inner transfers have occurred than if there's no money involved?

Swaps like in the US sports leagues?

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Saw the Milan derby yesterday..it was quite a game, entertaining for sure.

I was a bit divided who to support really, always preffered AC Milan but Inter probably has a realistic chance of dethroning Juventus so..just watched the game as neutral.

Must admit that all 3 ex United players have done well and surely Lukaku and Sanchez looked completely different from the time in United which just proves what I suspected already, it's about coaching.

Has been a bit weird game as well cause Milan completely dominated the first half and then in the second Inter scored 2 quick ones and even the third without really dominating the game.

Glad to see Lazio doing good as well so it's a 3 horse race now and next weekend there's a Lazio - Inter match up.

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Don't know whether you've been able to watch Bundesliga games this weekend but there's been quite interesting as well, I saw partially the Leverkusen - Dortmund game and the most of Bayern - Leipzig match.

Where to start, only Dortmund could loose a game like that the way they did.
I understand the club's ambition to play attractive attacking football ever since Klopp time there (or maybe even before that) but common there's have to be some pragmatism in the whole thing.
That's why I don't believe they will ever win anything...not with current coach anyway.

And the other one...I really thought Leipzig should of won over Bayern, there's been three inexplicable misses in a 5 min span of the start of the second half (especially the Werner's one) and generally every Leipzig counter looked to be quite dangerous.

I think Timo Werner have been doing poorly in the biggest games before as well (especially v Bayern) but for a player who's so attractive name for the biggest teams in Europe he doesn't cope the pressure very well.

So if Dortmund and Gladbach were able to win there games there would be quite a picture at the top with 4teams within 1 point.

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