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Since we have EPL and CL topics all ready I thought it could be a good idea to have one thread for all of the other top (or not) domestic football leagues.

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Yes we have a playoff system here which a lot of people don't like (me included). They do it to make it similar to the other football codes in Australia that all have finals and also because it makes a lot of money due to big tv ratings and crowds. As a supporter I want my team to win the league and after that I don't really care as much what happens in the finals series - its like a mini cup. But I'd say I am in the minority and most people think the opposite and regard the grand final winners as the champions even if they didn't win the league. All the promotion of the game and commentary will refer to the grand final winners as the champions.

The silly thing is that we only have a 10 team league yet 6 qualify for the finals. So a team can finish in the bottom half of the league and still make the playoffs. The administrators say this is because there is no promotion and relegation so they want to keep things interesting for the teams in the bottom half for as long as possible. I guess that has merit but one day a team that finishes 5th or 6th is going to have a good run of form in the finals and win the grand final. It hasn't happened yet but sooner or later it will and I think that will make the whole system look bad.

Thankfully there is some benefit to winning the league. The league winner gets a big trophy and qualifies for the Asian Champions League. They also get an easier draw in the finals series and a chance to host the grand final at home. The winner of the grand final also qualifies for the ACL and there is another half spot that goes to the next highest team in the league I think (not sure exactly and can't find it explained anywhere).

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Yes I'm with you on that Ed, these finals and play-offs are good for the TV's but makes a bit pointless trying to win the league in the regular season. It's the American system and I don't think it should be implemented in football, that's why there should be other cups played on elimination and big final in the end. I do like the big trophy part though 👍 maybe it's worth it winning a league in the end!

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Ah you should see our trophies. The league winners get something called the "Premier's Plate" and it is a big round silver and gold plate. The grand final winner gets something else that most followers of the game refer to as "the toilet seat". Which would you prefer... the seat or the lid?

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Ha- ha 😂 I think the toilet seat is a logical consequence and outcome 😉 of the plate using before that 😂 😂
Sorry Ed, I'm fine now, that was very good and who thought of that is a wise man 😉

I think it's a little confusing which achievement/trophy is better and even if they are equal, the grand final winner would be remembered longer and would stay in fans mind as a winner in that year I guess.
Also like in the US sports system there's a winners in the reg. season in the division/conference or the whole league and tere's trophy's for that but in the end post -season winner is the overall winner and those to be remembered. Of curse nothing too bad if there's some differences in the way leagues or cups competitions being held in any particular country and the Australian system seems to be a unique one when the two parts of the season looks to be equal.

By the way I'd stick to the toilet seat,no surprise in that I guess 😛

Although the best side for the year for me is that who won the league, i.e played all season long and winning most games.

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Well Sydney FC wrapped up the league yesterday with a 3-0 win that leaves them 14 points ahead of second with only 3 games remaining. Actually they won it the night before without even playing because the team in second place lost (Melbourne Victory).

We must have one of the few leagues in the world that still plays over an international week, which means some of the clubs are missing a few players. But then there is the Wellington Phoenix who had 5 or 6 players selected to play for New Zealand and 1 for Fiji I think. But they won 5-0 without them so it seems to me that maybe they should try benching them every week.

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27 March 2017 - 12:57am
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Yes those reserves been pumped I guess, but sometimes it happenning that way without any logic in it
And why they didn't take a break anyway?
Congrats on Sydney's plate Ed 😉 If they are so dominant in the league they could win the post season too maybe? do you believe they could do it or there's some hotter form team lately?
I know you probably wont be willing to talk too much about it even if you believe in their success, right?

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Well unless they suffer a big change in form they are going to win the league by a record margin. So they should be favourites to win the finals series too but you never know what can happen in a one off game. Whoever they play will be very motivated to beat them, thats for sure.

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Quite dramatic weekend in Spain, Real couldn't beat Atletico Madrid but Barcelona couldn't take advantage after that defeat from Malaga I think they not as quite as convincing this season making too many wrong steps and Real would probably win the league.
It could it be expected though, as they not won it in the last 4 or 5 seasons and every streak has an end as we know.

The French league is really interesting this season with Monaco and Nice stay up there with PSG and it really looks to be 3 horse race till the very end, I hope someone will break the PSG dominance from last years and Monaco looked to be the most likely team to do it.

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Yeah that was a shocking result for Barcelona and it gives Real a big advantage. But they play each other in a few weeks time so a Barca win there could make it tight again.

I haven't been following France but hopefully Monaco can hang on and beat moneybags PSG. But I have to admit it sounds weird to be categorising a team from Monaco as the poor ones doesn't it!

I've been keeping an eye on Feyenoord to see if they can win in The Netherlands. They were a long way in front a while ago but now their lead is down to 1 point over Ajax with 4 more games to play. They had a bad result last night with a 2-2 draw away to PEC Zwolle who are in the bottom half.

An interesting story here in the A-League this weekend was that they trialled video replay assistance for the referee and it was used to award a penalty for handball in the Wellington vs Sydney game.
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An interesting story here in the A-League this weekend was that they trialled video replay assistance for the referee and it was used to award a penalty for handball in the Wellington vs Sydney game.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/worldfirst-video-referral-system-used-in-aleague-to-grant-sydney-fc-a-penalty-20170408-gvguua.html

I guess you're pretty much in love with the new VAR system after your team benefited from it, a Ed? 😉

But really that could be the revolutionary change in football generally, I seen it for a first time, when that have been implemented Ed, in the beginning f the season or just now?

No doubt it was the right decision in that particular situation but my worries are that there will too many stoppages in the game and sometimes quite long and maybe few times in a game, so how long a game is going to last?
Not as little worrying is the fact that sometimes the decision could be subjective and I guess then they will give priority to the decision that have been called on the field just like in the other sports when there's a video assistance.
Despite I'm conservative when it comes to the rules of the game I think that could be a nice thing for the game if it's implemented and used rightfully I think, still there would be in an issues with the clock management and the calls to the really close situations.

Here's a little example, in one of the last United games Ibrahimovic scored and the goal was waved off by the ref, after maybe 20 replays commentators in the studio still wasn't on same side if it's offside or not. So let's say from the VAR (if that would be the name to stay) can't conclusively say if it's off or not then it would probably stay what was called on the field, from other hand the experts said - if there is a close offside call the benefit of the doubt should go to the attacking team so from that perspective refs were wrong to wave it off the but should the system overturn it if there's not conclusive evidence for the opposite?
I think there would be a situations like these on a regular bases, and what if there's 3 or 4 of these in a single game(we've had seen such games before) so how long will that game will going to lasts? It's not American football...still yet 😉

So I think implementing the VAR would have even bigger effect over the rules of the game in future and should be done very carefully, of course some of the things will be sorted out in a process of work but I think sooner or later they would have to stop the clock which would change the game quite dramatically once and for all.

But maybe I'm just too old, conservative and pessimistic about that... like already said it could be a nice think if it's in use carefully the right way.

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Yeah that was a shocking result for Barcelona and it gives Real a big advantage. But they play each other in a few weeks time so a Barca win there could make it tight again.

I haven't been following France but hopefully Monaco can hang on and beat moneybags PSG. But I have to admit it sounds weird to be categorising a team from Monaco as the poor ones doesn't it!

I've been keeping an eye on Feyenoord to see if they can win in The Netherlands. They were a long way in front a while ago but now their lead is down to 1 point over Ajax with 4 more games to play. They had a bad result last night with a 2-2 draw away to PEC Zwolle who are in the bottom half.

I still think it would be a Real season this one in Primera, if you will Barcelona have been even lucky to won couple of their tittles in the last day of the seasons previously so it's about time for them to loose a close race.

Monaco really being great when we have in mind that they selling some of their best players and still manage to play at that level, yes we can't say they are underdogs just the PSG dominance because of the money bags lately makes them favourites in the start of every season.

And about Feyeonoord - yes I really hope they could snap PSV - Ajax dominance in the last(not only) seasons. Some teams had been really close but seems like even the luck is not on their side I remember at least couple of strange Ajax titles that was won in the last day by goal differential so it would be really nice and it would be deserved after they've been ahead whole season long but maybe Ajax will still another one.

Here the stats from the Dutch League winners in the past more than 40 seasons:
since 74-75 season;

PSV -19 titles
Ajax - 17
Feyenoord -3
AZ, Twete -1

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I agree with what you are saying and I think they should forget this technology and live with the mistakes. It makes the game more interesting. As you say even with a video replay you can't always definitively tell if something is a foul. We see players fall over all the time to win a penalty and the replay shows there is contact but how do you know if it was enough to make them fall over? Suarez against PSG was a classic - yes he got a hand or arm to the face and you could argue its a foul and probably would be called if it happened outside the box, but it certainly wasn't enough to make him fall to the ground screaming and clutching his face. But if he didn't do that he wouldn't get a penalty because as we all know referees apply a different standard inside the box even though they shouldn't. Good luck deciding stuff like that on VAR. There are so many grey areas.

Also I am not satisfied with the way it is implemented and I can't see how they can make it better. If you saw the video of that decision, the handball happened then play went on for quite a while afterwards until there was a stoppage and then the referee asked them to check it. What if Wellington had run up the other end and scored? Apparently their goal would have been removed and the game taken back to the penalty spot. So the referee could stop the game immediately and ask for a replay but if it wasn't a foul then he has stopped it unnecessarily and potentially prevented another goal. There are too many scenarios like that where it doesn't work so I think they should just throw it out altogether.

I don't mind the goal line technology to tell when the ball has crossed the line but apart from that, no way.

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Here the stats from the Dutch League winners in the past more than 40 seasons:
since 74-75 season;

PSV -19 titles
Ajax - 17
Feyenoord -3
AZ, Twete -1

I'm surprised by those stats. First I thought there would have been more winners and secondly I did not know PSV had so many titles in that time. More reason to cheer for Feyenoord this year!

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Believe me Ed, I'm the last man to defend innovations in football 😀 maybe because it's proven that you don't have to fix something that is not broken and some of these innovations prove to be quite stupid - I still can't understand why there's have to be 5 refs on the field and those two on the out lines don't doing nothing to deserve their paychecks really in 99% of the time (that's why I probably mainly watching the PL games 😉 ) but anyway my point is that the way sport in general going lately is only matter of time before some of these hi tech innovations being implemented in football you must think. That as a fact alone shouldn't be so bad thing if I think they approach carefully and using that video monitor only in a proper way and in the right situations.

Let's give you an example with the Ice hockey, when they first putted cameras on the blue (offside) line.
It was shocking to me how many great goals were waved off after the puck is in the net, players and fans have been celebrated and sometime few minutes after that refs spoiling the party after video assistance check.
Will the refereeing in Ice hockey become more accurate - certainly yes, will the game won anything from that - I'm not sure at all, and I don't care if there was a centimetre or whole inch offside here and there, just because of that hockey is so great, because of the speed, so I saw some of the most beautiful goals been disallowed which would it counts just a year ago.

In football is even tougher video assistance to be implemented obviously because there isn't stoppages in time so all should be done a lot faster..huge problem.
Like you said clashes in the box or any other he area of the field are sometimes or most times very disputable and even could be subjective..most of the forwards try being smart asses lately and looking for contact with defending players or Gk's and just extend their legs after touching the ball when they could easily missing the contact, so is that a foul/penalty anyway? I saw refs judge that in all possible ways - foul/no foul/ yellow card for simulation...
But many of the experienced refs have told the feeling is also important when you deciding how to approach in certain situation what you seeing/ hearing/feeling on the field and players reaction is sometimes/many times inaccessible for the man behind the computer.
I think video assistance could do a great job mainly in offside situations because it's easier and quicker to see if there's an offside or not but in most situaltions but still there would few issues with that,
- did the players have to keep playing in every situation doubtful or not if the video assistance would eventually overturned it.
- time-stoppage issue in closer situations.
-do we need a sideline refs if there's such video system?

Sorry for being so redundant Ed, just I think it's very important for the future of the game and maybe big changes upcoming because of that, I think because of the willingness of FIFA and UEFA to implement those video assistance systems it could all end up we having stoppages in football (which would also be admired by the advertisers too 😉 ) after years of course not now, but that would be a shocking
decision and will change the game for all us who know the great game called football.

From the other side there's many people that would say - you can't expect the game to be modern, attractive for the young people and also refereed and televised in best possible manner without all the advantages the new techs giving and that's why they should be implement in the game - and I won't say they wouldn't be right either...

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Didn't saw El Clasico but to be honest didn't see that Barcelona win coming at all, have to be quite dramatic in the end with Real sent off and Barcelona late winner.
Still Real have a game in hand but it's definitely race on now and I guess if Real loose it one more time it would be mainly because of that game.

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I didn't catch it either but its a good result for those who want to see a close fight to the end of the season. At least it keeps things interesting!

Feyenoord had a good weekend. They won 2-0 and Ajax lost 1-0 to PSV so now they have a 4 point lead at the top with only 2 games remaining. One more win and they have the title.

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Would be deserved too if Feyenoord do it because they lead for the biggest part of the season and Ajax are still involved in the UEFA League which certainly distract them I think.

Just saw your team Eintracht reach DFB Pokal final after penaly in over Gladbach away so I guess you're happy about that, certainly great job from Niko Kovac and despite they didn't having so great second part of the season in Bundesliga I guess it's still a great season for their standards especially if they could touch a silverware.the other semi final is tomorrow - Bayern v Dortmund, should be good.

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Yeah Frankfurt have been awful for the past 2 months or so. I think they have only won 1 game in that time and now they are in the bottom half of the league. But at least they made the cup final. Dortmund beat Bayern in the other semi so it should make for a good match.

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It's probably expected for Frankfurt to take foot of the gas I guess Ed, but I think Dortmund should really win something finally, they are always in the final rounds of the cup in the last years but seems like Bayern is always on their way - not this time though but I guess you don't think that way 😉

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Of course not... come on Frankfurt!

Have you read about the situation in Italy with Sulley Muntari? It is disgraceful. The poor guy complained to the referee about being racially abused by the crowd. So the referee gave him a yellow card which only encouraged the idiots in the crowd to do it more. He was so upset that he walked off the field so the idiot referee gave him another yellow and therefore a red. Then to make it worse the Italian committee that reviews red cards and hands out suspensions decided to give him a one match ban. I just cannot understand the thinking behind this at all, from the crowd to the referee to the Italian judiciary. Something is seriously wrong there.

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Didn't knew the story Ed, I'm not surprised by the red card itself, in the end you can't just walk off the field under any circumstances unless there's some kind of a physical threat I guess, but the first yellow plus that one match ban from the committee looks really unfair maybe they can't cancel the ban if in the rules is said that there should be at least one match ban after every red card (it's possible I think) so in this case it would be the minimal ban but if not...it's definitely unfair.

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Well the good news is that they overturned the ban. Other players were threatening to go on strike so hopefully the message got through.

In The Netherlands, it looks as if the pressure has gotten to Feyenoord. They lost 3-0 away to Excelsior and Ajax won so now there is only 1 point between them with the final round to play this weekend. Feyenoord are at home to Heracles and Ajax are away to Willem II. Lets hope their home crowd can give them the boost they need to get over the line.

We had our grand final in Australia on the weekend. Sydney were favourites after finishing the league 17 points ahead of Melbourne in second place. But games between the two are always tight and this was no exception. This is what happened in the end...

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So congrats Ed, obviously Sydney have been the best team true the season so it's deserved I guess, it's quite harsh to loose the final on penalties but ...

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How about Dirk Kuyt? What a legend - a hat trick on the final day to win Feyenoord the title.

And Monaco wrapped it up in France too. They have scored 102 goals so far, 20 more than PSG. Watch their team get torn apart in the off season by the big clubs poaching all their talent.

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Yeah Dirk Kuyt... I respect him...great fighter...it was like fairytale end for him.... and Feyenoord, really glad for that.

It was shocking what Monaco did I think, they already sold Marcial to United last season for about 50mill quid and that makes the achievement even more impressive...yeah probably they would sell a few players but I don't think that's necessary a bad thing, most of these players just over-performing right now because of the Monaco inspired style so the club would get some really huge funds selling them which should be a good thing for a team like Monaco which is not exactly a grand and couldn't afford keeping these players in future.

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Well Real Madrid sealed the La Liga title in Spain and won by 3 points in the end. And Juventus has wrapped it up in Italy with a four point lead with a game to play (no surprises there). Bayern won the Bundesliga by miles (again no surprises).

More interesting is this story from Sweden...
Gothenburg vs AIK fixture postponed after alleged 'match-fixing attempt' uncovered

I'm looking forward to the Championship playoff final for Premier League promotion this weekend between Huddersfield and Reading. I hope Huddersfield can make it, if for no other reason than to see a new team in the top division ("new" as in never been since it was the premier league).

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Yeah they should called those Bayern and Juventus leagues and that probably won't be theirs last straight titles... I guess, to be honest Real M title wasn't a surprise to me Ed, they didn't won the league in the last 4 seasons plus the fact that Barcelona obviously struggled this season makes it inevitable I think.
Yeah I've read about this one in Sweden thanks to Slim and the CL news 😉 commented there already but I think the strange fact was that both team players have been approached by..whoever it was...

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Sorry for the Eintracht loss v Dortmund on the cup final Ed, I've been in two minds to place a bet or not to Frankfurt because the d-n-b odds were really high but in the end glad that save my money (at least this time)

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Yeah Eintracht tried hard but I think Dortmund deserved it. They were unlucky not to get another goal with Aubameyang's scissor kick cleared off the line, onto the crossbar and away. I'm glad you didn't lose your money!

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30 May 2017 - 12:16am
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Huddersfield vs Reading turned out to be a nail biter and not really in a good way. It ended 0-0 and went to a penalty shoot-out which Huddersfield won. I thought it was a fair result as Huddersfield created more chances and should have scored twice in the first 10 minutes with two golden chances inside the 6 yard box. The second one in particular was an incredible miss with the guy slotting the ball wide from only about one step outside the goal line. Reading passed the ball around very nicely but it was all sideways and backwards and they did nothing with it. It looked like they were happy to play for the penalties.

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30 May 2017 - 11:04am
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Yeah I just saw the result Ed, so obviously your wish come true, don't remember when they were in the top flight so that should be a long time ago (meaning my age) but you never know how these newcomers will perform in the PL, who were of thought that Bournemouth and Burnley would hanging in there for so long.

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