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We've got a premier league one so how about a Champion's League thread?

I was just about to post "what a goal Suarez" but just now who else but Thomas Muller has popped up 6 yards out to head in an equaliser for Bayern against Juventus. Juve decided to park the bus after a good first half and they have paid the price. It is hard to see Bayern not going on and winning this tie in extra time now.

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Well we have one for sure now as Leipzig smashed Spurs. Angry Jose is well and truly on the way back now. I wonder how all the Spurs fans must feel about that appointment now. I still think it was a mistake to sack Pochettino, but who knows the full story behind that one.

Well, I thought Mourinho's appointment is a mistake from the very begging, Pochetino is linked to Real M and MU as his next most likely destinations but if those teams stick with their current managers which looks very likely to me...guess who could be the next Spurs manager in the summer Ed...πŸ˜‰ Especially if Mourinho keep deliveringπŸ˜›

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I switched over to Valencia vs Atalanta and that was mighty entertaining. It was very weird seeing them play in an empty stadium, though I quite liked being able to hear the players and coaches. Atalanta are and "attack at all costs" kind of team, which I highly approve of!

I'm use to these closed doors games Ed, good 15-20 years it's been something quite usual here..it's been somewhat modern tendency teams to be punished this way for their fans misbehavior or anything else really...so I"ve seen quite a few of this both in person or watching it on the TV..but understand why this is curious and unusual for the people elsewhere really.

By the way why the PSG game is behind closed doors and Liverpool's not...even City - Arsenal was canceled because of the virus fears...didn't read anything about it but it does't make much sense to me...

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What can I say..commiserations Ed, it's been quite harsh on Liverpool to loose the game the way they did.

You're mad at Adrian or you think they should of done better in front of goal?

For me it's mixture of both, that game should of never gone into an extra time at first place with the opportunities Liverpool team have had throughout the match.

For the good of the tournament I was hoping they 'd progress..but since that little 2 week break they're like not the same team anymore.

One more thing, at the time I thought the Liverpool players over-celebrating the second goal...there was still 20+ minutes to goal and Atletico needed just 1 goal...and despite the Spaniards never looked likely to score before that Adrian mistake the Liverpool defense is looking vulnerable as of late.

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Oh yeah. The irony of that game is that Liverpool outplayed Atletico in every way except for the most important one of course. I think it was the best Liverpool have played for a few months. Atletico were under immense pressure for the entire second half but they hung in there and got their lucky break in the end.

I thought Oblak was their best. He had a good game without having to make any mind bending saves or anything, he just did what he had to and made it look easy. Adrian on the other hand made one mistake and it was crucial. It was a bad one but like you said the rest of the team should not have let it get to extra time. I still can't work out how Robertson missed that header from so close to an open goal.

Simeone raised an interesting point after the game that I had never thought of before. He said he thought it was unfair that the away goals rule still counted in extra time because his team has an extra half hour to score them, and he wants UEFA to change the rule. On the other hand I guess the home team has the crowd as its advantage during extra time, so I'm not convinced that changing the rule would be completely fair either. I think it is better to leave it as is - if it ain't broke don't fix it..

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Simeone raised an interesting point after the game that I had never thought of before. He said he thought it was unfair that the away goals rule still counted in extra time because his team has an extra half hour to score them, and he wants UEFA to change the rule. On the other hand I guess the home team has the crowd as its advantage during extra time, so I'm not convinced that changing the rule would be completely fair either. I think it is better to leave it as is - if it ain't broke don't fix it..

Yeah I'd never thought of that myself, and when it comes from the winning manager..you probably have to listen to it.

I think many people dislike in general the away goals rule (including me)...I know it always been that way but it gives somewhat the advantage to the home side in first leg(who also have the advantage to visit in the second) and often the home teams are more bothered not conceding in first leg than looking to outscoring the opposition.

Of course there's an argument that if the away goals rule doesn't stand it would cause a lot more games in the knockout stages to be decided after extra time and pens in an already busy schedule...but if that in fact so huge of a problem when it'd add to the drama and increase attacking intend in the first legs as well ?!?

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I suppose you can argue that either way - the away team should attack more in the first leg to try to get a more valuable goal or two.

So the rest of this round has been postponed due to covid-19 virus worries. I wonder if this year's competition will ever be completed? It must be unlikely because if the leagues in each country are played out eventually then they will have to play lots of midweek catch up games.

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I suppose you can argue that either way - the away team should attack more in the first leg to try to get a more valuable goal or two.

Yeah, of course I agree Ed, but in my observations this works more often than not the other way round.

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So the rest of this round has been postponed due to covid-19 virus worries. I wonder if this year's competition will ever be completed? It must be unlikely because if the leagues in each country are played out eventually then they will have to play lots of midweek catch up games.

I already shared my opinion about that in the PL chat...even if they have to play the current season till end of July..so what...the summer break for players and staff could be a lot shorter cause they wresting now anyway ..next season could start later and there would be some dates to catch up with the schedule..there's always a ways...you have to be flexible and adaptive in time of such crisis...of course they'd have the Euros for all that to be possible.

But I agree with you it's not looking likely right now the season won't be canceled...they just should give themselves right now and see what's the virus situation in 2 or 4 weeks time I think.

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I actually would not mind getting rid of two legged ties altogether. Just make them all single knockout matches with the away goals rule in effect. So one team has home ground advantage and the other has away goals. I don't care about so called "fairness". It might lead to more upsets and less predictability of the final 8 or 4 teams each year. Of course it will not happen because of the money, except...

I read they were discussing options such as making the rest of the games remaining into single matches, then playing the semis and final in the one place over one long weekend. Maybe Thursday semi finals and a Sunday final?

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Yeah reading your comment Ed, I thought it's funny how you've mentioned the one leg knockout stages and this was exactly what I heard as well they're planning to do...or at least considered it...I'm not against that at all...exactly the opposite, I think it would add to the drama and so called average teams could be quite competitive in the CL themselves...even dream of...winning it.

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By the way I forgot to mention how much I've enjoyed the CL draw...just been watching on youtube some pundits crying about City's tough luck in that draw...really!?!...for once... and they started complained about it already...can't believe they didn't noticed what have been happening for the past few years....it's incredible...

And it's not about Juve's , Bayern's , Real or Barca's tough luck...it's about City's... they've been talking about it...sometimes I feel like I don't live on the same planet...as most of the people...probably my fault..😜

By the way from the other half of the draw there would be a team who never won the cup who'll reach the final..I have the funny feeling some of those could win it as well...especially if it's about Atletico M.

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I actually had not seen the draw before reading this.

Remaining R16 fixtures are to be played August 8/9.

Quarter finals:
QF1. 16/8: Real Madrid / Man. City v Lyon / Juventus
QF2. 14/8: Leipzig v AtlΓ©tico
QF3. 15/8: Napoli / Barcelona v Chelsea / Bayern
QF4. 13/8: Atalanta v Paris

Semi finals:
SF1. 19/8: Winner QF1 v Winner QF3
SF2. 19/8: Winner QF2 v Winner QF4

Final:
24/8: Winner SF1 v Winner SF2

Quarter finals onwards are single matches like we were hoping for. I like the way it has panned out. If only they could do it like this every year. My first reaction was that PSG might finally make a semi or a final before losing spectacularly again!

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Quarter finals onwards are single matches like we were hoping for. I like the way it has panned out.

Yeah, because they've already played the first leg Ed, so it's still a double leg QF...right?

But it seems like the semis will be in single game?

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My first reaction was that PSG might finally make a semi or a final before losing spectacularly again!

Surely they wont get a better chance than this winning it, like you I doubt they will do it though...especially after not having a competitive game for who knows how many months...that should be a huge disadvantage for PSG...and they're proven to be unreliable anyway.

I still think Bayern should be considered as a main favorites...the Germans will have a break but not that long and they would probably enter the tournament in form and very fresh...I guess!?

But when it's about an 8 day sprint why not witness a major upset there...hopefully anyway!

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All games from the quarter finals onwards are now single matches. And yes I am hoping that in such a show time and with one off matches we might get to see some surprises, though squad depth of the richest teams will probably help them out.

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Yeah of course Ed,I've meant the second leg of some of the last 16 round still to be played, my bad.

It's getting loser now...who's your favorite in this week long sprint?

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I favour the teams with the deepest squads that can rotate their players a bit. So probably Man City, Madrid, or Bayern as per usual.

I would much prefer Lyon or Atalanta to get up though.

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Yeah I think you have a point there Ed, when 3 or 4 games have to be played in a short period of time.

Obviously it's going to be 4 games for City or Real if they are about to reach the final but I think any of those will have a good 2 week rest before their last 16 second leg game and that's probably the right amount of time to rest your squad but keep the momentum and form of the squad in the same time.

Bayern are still my favorites according what they've shown this season but I think over a month rest could be a bit too long for them to keep their form..but who knows really.

I didn't see much of Atalanta this season but from what I hear they're playing very attractive and attacking style so definitely hope to see them progressing to the later stages...especially if that's for the overrated PSG side expense.

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I was very happy to see Juve knocked out by Lyon, even if it was one of the dodgiest penalties I've ever seen that gave Lyon their goal. The referee must have realised he made a shocking decision because then he gave Juve their own ridiculous one up the other end.

PSG just got through by the skin of their teeth today. I thought they were gone after Neymar wasted several golden chances with some of horrible finishing. They really should have won by 3 or 4 but I guess they at least got the couple they needed in injury time. Maybe they actually have more heart than we thought?

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To be honest Ed, haven't seen any of the games, just checked the results.

Lyon are on a row obviously, after Juve they knocked out City too so here's the upsets we've been waiting for...probably from the most unexpected team too...I wouldn't put my money on Lyon to do that anyway...

And what about the Barcelona trash...Bayern are definitely the team to beat...won't be modest - I've expected they'd be the main favorite and I think I've mentioned German's would rule the CL this season before...all German final is still not out of reach..I think, but certainly didn't see that 8-2 coming but Barcelona have been atrocious for a while...so not really that much of a surprise that result.

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Bayern were on another level. That 5th goal where Davies dribbled through half the team was incredible. They were so good that Thomas Muller wants to retire and become a comedian instead...

Speaking of very funny things, how about Raheem Sterling's open goal miss? That sort of thing makes every amateur footballer in the world feel better about missing a sitter.

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Bayern were on another level. That 5th goal where Davies dribbled through half the team was incredible.

Like I said haven't seen any of the games but will trust to your expertise Ed,πŸ˜‰

I'm hearing only superlatives for the guy..to be honest from the games of Bayern that I saw this season he wasn't that spectacular...but I've seen just a few..apparently he's a great talent.

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They were so good that Thomas Muller wants to retire and become a comedian instead...

Yeah...the second one..was for all the deaf journalists on that press conference...?πŸ€”πŸ˜œ

Even if he becomes a stand up comedian after done with football...surely wouldn't go to that show even if I get a free ticket...free ticket!πŸ˜‰

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Speaking of very funny things, how about Raheem Sterling's open goal miss? That sort of thing makes every amateur footballer in the world feel better about missing a sitter.

Look mate...I've had never rated the guy as a goalscorer...but even he should be able to score that.

To be honest after watching a few replays I thought he opened up his body toward the ball quite well...but probably took his eyes of it...you just can't take these chances for granted (we've seen so many of these misses over the years) and if you do that ...it ended up like this...looking stupid...
Also always wondered why the hell the opponent players even should be bothered consoling a player in such situation...just leave the guy crying on the field (or whatever Sterling has been doing there) and take the goal kick quickly...it's not your fault he's complacent, incapable or whatever...

I still remember that MU - Liverpool match a few years back when Sterling and Balotelli have faced like 7 times combined eye to eye De Gea and..the game still ended 3-0 to United...the worst case scenario for Liverpool should of been like 3-3...

A little task here...if you take away the speed from Sterling and (T)Rashford would those two be the most atrocious players in the PL...!?(I agree this could be said for many others but those two are the most overrated in my opinion) ..they would certainly make top 10 if you ask me...sorry if I sound bitter but this is just my opinion.

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Despite the hilarious miss I still think Sterling is a top player. He's consistently scored a load of goals for Man City these past few years, more than most strikers, and he's normally played as a winger.

I think he just maybe leaned back a bit and got under the ball instead of keeping his head over the ball. Maybe he was already mentally turning around to celebrate. The pass was perfectly rolling along the ground, so there was no bobble or any excuse. He just screwed it up. I'm a has-been old man playing in the over 35s but even I would be furious if I missed that! πŸ˜‚

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Yeah, OK mate, I accept your opinion.

I didn't saw any bobble of the ball (although if there was that shouldn't be too big of an excuse either) so probably you're right about what happened for the miss.

Will admit one thing, Sterling is hard to deal with because of his speed and agility, maybe a classic modern day winger but I never rated him as a goalscorer despite all his goals last season...correct me if I'm wrong but from what I remember good chunk of that have been a empty netters...yeah you still have to be on the right spot but it's far easier in 100 goals a season attack like that of City.

And beside never liked his attitude..always willing to get on the ground too easy if the ball's challenged, arguing the refs all the time even when he's obviously simulating...but that's not his fault entirely though...there's something which I call Pep's (d)effect!

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Oh yeah he's definitely one who goes to ground at the merest hint of contact, sometimes "anticipating" the contact that never actually comes, shall we say. πŸ˜‰

So its going to be PSG vs Bayern in the final after Bayern had another easy win. Gnabry's first goal was a cracker. Ooh and another goal for ... πŸ˜‰ ... Robert Lewan ... golski... you know ... πŸ˜‰ ... Robert Lewan ... golski. 🀑🀑🀑

Picking a winner between those two is like choosing between getting punched in the nose or kicked in the nuts. But I think Bayern should be too strong. All I can hope for is lots of goals and some more glaring misses (and perhaps even a red card?) from Neymar. Plus another Thomas Muller dad joke after the game please.

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So its going to be PSG vs Bayern in the final after Bayern had another easy win. Gnabry's first goal was a cracker. Ooh and another goal for ... πŸ˜‰ ... Robert Lewan ... golski... you know ... πŸ˜‰ ... Robert Lewan ... golski. 🀑🀑🀑

Ha-ha..Yeah I got that now Ed, needed it to hear it 4 times but it's worth it😜

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Picking a winner between those two is like choosing between getting punched in the nose or kicked in the nuts.

Yeah,can't described it better...πŸ˜€

Usually it would it be for me exactly the same as it is for you...but to be honest I admire the Bayern style this season, think they're the best playing team in Europe(World?)
..and I like the fact their coach came from nowhere and made them the machine they are now...which for me just prove the fact that you could succeed at no matter what age and despite never been a top name in the branch...that probably break down all the cliches and I think it would be a fairy tail for the guy if they won the tournament.

On top of that Bayern is a club with history and tradition and not a billions of dollars petrol business or something....so my fingers definitely crossed for them in the final.

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But I think Bayern should be too strong. All I can hope for is lots of goals and some more glaring misses (and perhaps even a red card?) from Neymar. Plus another Thomas Muller dad joke after the game please

Ha-ha...That would be like Rambo 3...action and comedy in one...😜...or a parody..?!

In my mind there's not any doubt Bayern will going to win it! Even though I haven't seen a single game.

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So 1-0 to Bayern, and we got the winner we wanted (thank goodness!). But it required an 11/10 performance from Neuer who saved everything PSG threw at him. PSG really should have scored - especially with the clear chances they had in the first half. I thought they were also unlucky not to have a penalty with Mbappe clearly kicked and tripped at one stage.

Ah well, back to the drawing board for PSG. I'm sure they can find another €300m to buy some more players from somewhere.

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I was speaking with a friend of mine yesterday and he told me he 'd wish Bayern to win that by 3 or 4...I said that it's usually tough having so many goals in a final game and I'd be happy with just 1-0 to Bayern...must admit though there should of been a couple of more goals scored in this one probably.

I thought PSG were the better team first half and maybe they should of scored at least once, not sure I'm thinking of the same Mbape situation that you've mentioned Ed, had a few drinks by the time so maybe I've missed that one...the one I'm thinking of was not a foul for me.

But when it mattered the most (after the goal) I think Bayern controlled the game perfectly...so I think they deserved it.

Not sure who passed the ball for the goal but I thought it's a great assist which obviously obligated Coman to score...the pass made the finishing easy.

Neyer was clearly the mom as far as I'm concerned..and despite some pundits opinion that he's no good anymore (yeah ter Stegen could be better now) but I don't think the Bayern's gk is done...obviously.

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πŸ˜€..You really love them..eh..?!πŸ˜‰

I think Pogba's available at 150mill..and you're getting Lingaard and Phil Jones as a free gifts with that buy...3 on the price of 1 mate...heck of a bargain... !!!

Without even need mentioning Phil's... pink boots!!πŸ˜œπŸ˜‚

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I think Pogba's available at 150mill..and you're getting Lingaard and Phil Jones as a free gifts with that buy...3 on the price of 1 mate...heck of a bargain... !!!

Without even need mentioning Phil's... pink boots!!πŸ˜œπŸ˜‚

Hahaha! Why not? They may as well go for Pogba. They know they will be able to sell him back to Man Utd in a few years for double the price. πŸ˜‰

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Hahaha! Why not? They may as well go for Pogba. They know they will be able to sell him back to Man Utd in a few years for double the price. πŸ˜‰

Ouch...!!

Would it be funny if in fact that wasn't quite realistic possibility mate...on top of that Woodward would state that's a bargainπŸ˜‰

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