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15 April 2022 - 8:31pm

Have you guys ever caught an online casino cheating?

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So I'm currently writing a Roulette strategy guide which i have been testing for ages. It has a really good strategy which has left me sitting on a live roulette table for Days at a time! So here it goe's.

I was running a martingale playing with inside bet, Now with my signature's numbers, during pen-testing, there was a round it never went past, so naturally this for me is my max table limit when playing live and hitting a full table. Simple strategy (only part of the one I'm using mind.

Place my bets, miss, double up etc,,, until I'm full martingale with a max table bet down. Same numbers as before so again I click double bet and then this BS occurs....

Just before "No More Bets' is called - like with zero reaction time I get a message of, 'bet unaccepted'... The wheel spins, My number lands. Pissed... Now kicking myself for the second time as I'm not recording this... What can a dude do, just accept I guess, place a repeat bet down and see if I can make the money back.

Click the re-bet and before the timer even runs out for 'no more bets', I'm logged out for inactivity.. WTF..?

Obviously by the time I log back in the rounds finished... and you got it... Another one of my number's lands....

As I know a live stream can be delayed for a period of time can and would a casino manipulate the game like this? I've seen it to some degree's a few times now... or was that just a point in time where i was just shit outta luck...?

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16 April 2022 - 2:36am
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Most of the time problems arise not from crooked games, but from the casino finding excuses not to pay winners. I can only speculate on what you saw as being a bug or cheating, but I'd say it is unlikely to be the latter.

It is rare and difficult to catch, but casinos and/or software providers have been caught cheating before. The problem is as soon as someone goes public, the games are pulled or corrected and appear to be working normally again.

Some I know of off the top of my head:
- Absolute Poker: had a super user feature that allowed admins to see all players cards at the table and this was abused for cheating purposes.
- BetOnline / Global Gaming Labs: live blackjack dealer caught dealing seconds from the shoe.
- Betsoft: Developed games with jackpots that were impossible to win at times, and games that didn't pay out the jackpot when they should. We were the ones who caught them out on this.
- Pragmatic Play / TopGame: Developer had games with wild symbols missing making it impossible to win the top prizes.
- Amigotechs - Developed rigged video poker game.
- SkillOnNet - Its video poker games had a rigged double up feature.
- CasinoWebScripts - Game developer that allows its operators to set a maximum amount that players can win, then the games are rigged to enforce the limit.

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16 April 2022 - 11:46am
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I agree with Ed. And I have experience working for a live casino game supplier several years ago- they had many procedures in place, random tests etc. to ensure that everything was really according to legislations. So no, there were no delays of live recordings, no magnets and all the other stuff players speculate.

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17 April 2022 - 11:14am
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I agree with the magnets on balls and games not being rigged, that's just the game, and excuses used when a player's luck has one out. It obviously isn't their luck so the table must be rigged etc.

But I was wondering about manipulating procedures could and would it be done?

Not having bets accepted when just doubling up from previous bet, maybe a bug in the software or a glitch possibly, but then getting kicked for inactivity the round after became questionable, especially as I had just played 8+ rounds....

Again, I regret not having it recorded...

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22 July 2022 - 6:06pm
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You can't catch them, even if they are cheating 😀

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22 July 2022 - 7:28pm
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That's an excellent point, claussmingo. It'd be almost impossible to find it. Some do record the live dealer games where there've been errors, but even then... it's not in the dealer's interests to cheat as they make more money in tips. Happy players leave better tips.

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24 July 2022 - 12:39pm
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barbadosslim93 wrote:

That's an excellent point, claussmingo. It'd be almost impossible to find it. Some do record the live dealer games where there've been errors, but even then... it's not in the dealer's interests to cheat as they make more money in tips. Happy players leave better tips.

And as for online casinos, dealers wouldn't cheat- they are being monitored by Pitbosses and if someone would try to not comply with the rules, they'd get fired. Live game providers wouldn't risk it.

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14 September 2022 - 12:07pm
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I often had a situation where my sportsbook bets were cancelled, even if they were winning, but they only canceled the bets later when the match was over. And they always have the answer that it's not up to them, but the provider has the right to cancel the bet if they think it's fixed. When I asked them to tell me which provider, of course they told me that they are not allowed to tell me such information due to the contractual obligation with the provider. This doesn't make any sense!!

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30 October 2022 - 12:15pm
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That's actually a nice topic for discussion.. I don't remember facing cheating at online casinos, maybe once I had issues when website just crashed and I couldn't enter a game even if I have already put my money there.. I am not sure if it helps, but I usually use trusted casinos list to find new safe places for gambling, I will update this comment later if I notice cheating there

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6 December 2022 - 7:39am
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yea Ed is right most of the scamming that goes on with casinos is normally done when payments are involved although I did hear of a player checking his bet with a provability casino fair casino thinki it was wolf bet or wicks casino where he checked the verification of the hash and nonce on a third party site where you can check if the roll 0f the dice or keno game played was actually fair and to his horror it wasnt and he caught the casino red handed , a little food for thought , I often think that my hand at a provabilty fair casino was rigged but to be honest im too lazy to manually verify it myself but think I have to at some point

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6 December 2022 - 6:58pm
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It's got to be such a pain to manually look into things and verify if the casino is really cheating you. The real question would be: Why? The odds are already stacked in their favor.

I've seen a lot of stories about real-life dealers colluding with players at tables to steal from casinos, but not much going the other way around.

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barbadosslim93 wrote:

It's got to be such a pain to manually look into things and verify if the casino is really cheating you. The real question would be: Why? The odds are already stacked in their favor.

I've seen a lot of stories about real-life dealers colluding with players at tables to steal from casinos, but not much going the other way around.

I agree why cheat when the buggers are coining it anyway with all the odds in their favour I guess it can only be greed

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18 January 2023 - 2:55pm
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I think, that every casino is mostly profitable only for its owners, so it is hardto catch cheating on their side.

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19 January 2023 - 11:44am
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I've often noticed pretty fishy things frome time to time....but actually online casinos don't really need that at all, in the end they have the upper hand anyway....and possibly simply refuse the payout because of any alleged discrepancies if it must be. as an online casino you can't keep up your possibly good reputation for a long time if you do it all the time but how often have i noticed that even with supposedly reputable casinos with a good license

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