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28 September 2020 - 1:42am

Video shows BTC casino game being manually controlled/rigged by operator

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I am currently working on a piece about the BTC gaming industry but I thought that I would share this bit now since Im pretty sure Im about to be hacked by the companies I am researching. Today I was able to hit the "jackpot" of evidence by finally getting video of someone actively fucking with my game. You can see in the video where someone comes in to start rigging my game up and starts miscalculating all my wins . Approximately 33 seconds in he or she comes in and accidentally REDUCES my balance after a win . Every win thereafter is added wrong and I either end up with too much or too little in my balance. Then at the end of it all the casino just decided to take away 80% of what I had. I have the video and spreadsheet of bets and the balance I had after . Cells marked in red represent the errors. This

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AzIIcCaP16zMfHnSkeMBYU8upshEraNu/view?u... (VIDEO)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wQapdSQlYHFBPJMuB2tqud9kGVbaVo7u... ( SPREADSHEET)

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28 September 2020 - 6:54am
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To make things easier to follow I have embedded your video here.

From what I can see this is all about the first 3 spins in the video:

1. The first spin wins 0.07 then grants another free spin. Correct?
2. The 2nd spin appears to me that it wins nothing as none of the symbols line up to connect the wilds. Then the game shows a re-spin winnings message of 0.07. This is not another win but a cumulative total of winnings from the previous re-spins. Notice that the same message is not shown after the first spin.
3. Then the game seems to play one more non-winning spin costing 0.025 before the extra middle reel is removed and the game goes back to normal mode. I've never played this game before so I don't know whether this was a visual glitch or part of the free spins round? Did you have auto-play on before the free spins round?

I'll grant that it is confusing.

Re the "third party actively rigging your game", I don't understand this line of thinking at all.

Your spreadsheet has a bunch of errors. For example:
- You have recorded your opening balance as 0.0538 instead of 0.538.
- You have counted the cost of the two free re-spins at the start against your balance.
- You have mis-attributed wins to the wrong spins.
- The video shows that you only made 26 spins but you recorded 28 spins in your spreadsheet.

There is one time when you press the spin button then change to a live chat window or something. When you come back to the game the reels are not spinning and you press spin again. This was only one spin as if you note the reel symbols before and after you switch to the live chat window, they are exactly the same indicating no spin was made.

Here are what I make your 26 spins to be:

Wagers
Spins 1 & 2: free spins
Spin 3: 0.025 (the mystery spin)
Spins 4-6: 0.05 x 3
Spins 7-26: 0.025 x 20
Total: 0.675

Wins
Spin 1: 0.07
Spin 8: 0.044
Spin 15: 0.08
Spin 24: 0.015
Spin 26: 0.097
Total: 0.306

Balance
0.538 - 0.675 + 0.306 = 0.169

0.169 matches what you state that the casino told you it should be (in the text underneath your youtube video). So I agree with them on that point.

Clearly the game has lost sync between the balance you see on your device and the server balance at some stage. It can happen sometimes with poorly programmed games. In these sorts of disputes the server balance is the law though, and it is the only thing the casino will be able to to see when they look up your gameplay.

The only question I have over the whole thing is that 3rd spin, because it appears to be made using the same reels as the free spins mode. It comes clearly after the re-spin round has ended due to the total message I explained, but before the extra reel is removed. I don't know enough about the game to know what was going on there and whether that is correct. But I think we can safely say that it is not someone physically remote controlling your device and hitting the spin button instead of you.

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28 September 2020 - 12:52pm
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It got a bit into the weeds for me. I'm inclined to agree with Ed. Stuff happens, but I don't think that it was someone manually manipulating your game.

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29 September 2020 - 2:59am
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wow. what a thorough analysis. I appreciate the effort and this really helps get an outside view.
I fixed the first input to. 538
im going to have to look into the rest, but for now, if what your observations are true, then the ending balance of. 1689 still contrasts with what was shown on the game. Whether or not the figures do add up to that value of. 1689, the ending balance shown of. .6008 still doesn't match. I certainly did not come up with it. Another thing is if indeed the values do add up to. 1689, why does every value for the total balance show correctly except for 4 - 5 places? These figures are drawn directly from the video. If what your saying is true then it would be very lucky to have 95% of the errored values coincide with the correct ones.

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29 September 2020 - 3:05am
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29 September 2020 - 3:16am
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actually I just did a quick sum function and it's pretty close. that's very peculiar as this means that the balance shown on screen was never correct yet it still adds the bets correctly.
You also bring up a good point which I never noticed. when spinning the trigger button is light green and dark when not. the trigger should be disabled during free spins . the last spin in the bonus round is light green indicating that there was a touch input.
however thats not basis of the claime which is that my balance values were being altered. the fact that your data contrasts with what's being shown on screen just further supports my claim does it not? I mean how would a computer be able to make these kind of errors

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29 September 2020 - 5:53am
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dangerdlc wrote:

I mean how would a computer be able to make these kind of errors

People write the code that runs on your computer. People make mistakes.

No one is hacking your $6.50 balance... 🙄

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30 September 2020 - 5:30am
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I'm confused. dangerdlc = NP? I'm not sure why you've got another account but anyway, pressing on.

I sort of addressed that in my post, but it is very long so could be easy to miss.

CL-Ed wrote:

Clearly the game has lost sync between the balance you see on your device and the server balance at some stage. It can happen sometimes with poorly programmed games. In these sorts of disputes the server balance is the law though, and it is the only thing the casino will be able to to see when they look up your gameplay.

So when you're playing an online slot there are 2 components - the client (i.e. your PC, phone, whatever) and the game server. In order to make a game greatly more difficult to hack, the server is the only element that can be trusted because you as a player have no control over it. Otherwise you could send a message to the server saying "hey look my balance is now $100,000 and I won $5000 on the last spin". Obviously the game developer can't let that happen.

When you make a spin, the client starts the reels spinning (just for show), and your game client sends a message to the server telling it you pressed spin and how much you wagered. The client may immediately update its own local copy of your balance so that it doesn't have to wait for a response from the server. Then the server does its random thing and sends back a result. The client uses this result to tell you whether you won or lost and stops the reels in an arrangement that matches the result. It should then update its copy of your balance accurately.

However as the client could be updating its copy of your balance independently of the server, if there is a bug in the client code it might incorrectly add your balance and get in a state where the totals it is showing you are different from your real balance on the server. I don't know for sure if that is what happened here, but it seems most likely. It could be due to crappy game design or some kind of network error, because the server should be regularly sending a message to the client telling it what your balance is so that it never gets out of sync.

Another example possibility for balances getting out of sync is if you're playing 2 different games in 2 windows at the same time. Each game has a copy of your balance and might fail to take into account the spins made on the other game. Once again the solution is for the server to regularly send a message to the client with your correct balance.

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30 September 2020 - 7:35pm
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I'm new at this so what's the difference between a BTC casino and a normal (?) one?

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30 September 2020 - 7:45pm
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RJ777 wrote:

I'm new at this so what's the difference between a BTC casino and a normal (?) one?

Presumably a BTC casino is one that exclusively deals with Bitcoin (or other cryptocurrencies) since most offer Bitcoin as an option anyway these days.

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30 September 2020 - 7:51pm
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Ah ok. Thanks.

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