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11 May 2020 - 4:45pm

Rigged or random slot?

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Hi everyone, been a long time since I was here, hope You are all ok and healthy these days!

I have lately been testing a online slot that kind of gave me a strange feeling, so I started to pay a little bit more attention to it while playing. After a while I found what had given me this feeling. The slot has scatter symbols where You will win if you hit 3 or more of them. But every time a scatter hit on one of the reels I will not win on other combinations at a 100% rate. Even if only one scatter hit on the last wheel You can be 100% sure that I will not win by other combinations.

The question then is, is this random, and how do You guys define randomness?. In my opinion a random slot will have the same chance of showing all possible combinations in any given spin, so that neighter You, the casino or the provider can controll if You win or not. This should also be the case when You get one or more scatters in a spin. But in this slot, if You hit one or more scatters and are given the chanse to win on them, then You lose the chanse of winning on regular combinations.

Another thing about this slot is that it in some casinos have a jackpot and in others not. You will hit the jackpot when you get 3 jackpot symbols. I have now started to look if the same things happen with jackpot symbols, and so far i have never won a price from regular combinations if a jackpot symol show up on the reels. But I have probably not been checking this enough to say that it is 100% true. But if it is like that with jackpot symbols too, then there will be more factors denying You the chanse to win on the jackpot slot compared to when the slot is without jackpot.

In my opinion a slot like that is not completly random since You cannot hit all the possible combinations at any given spin.

I will wait a little bit with telling what slot it is since I want to test it a little bit more, but would be nice to hear what you guys think about the things I have described here.

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11 May 2020 - 9:43pm
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Caliber26 wrote:

But every time a scatter hit on one of the reels I will not win on other combinations at a 100% rate. Even if only one scatter hit on the last wheel You can be 100% sure that I will not win by other combinations.

This can still fall under a random definition, but the game logic is split into 2 stages:

1. Randomly determine if this is a Scatter round, and if so, choose a random number of Scatters
2. If not, randomly spin the reels without including Scatters

Both can be truly random.

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11 May 2020 - 11:23pm
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I was going to say that it could be by design due to the reel strips and positioning of symbols but then you said

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Even if only one scatter hit on the last wheel You can be 100% sure that I will not win by other combinations.

That sounds extremely dubious. Are you going to keep us in suspense waiting for the name of the game?

I suppose Matthew's theory could be right, but I have not heard of any slot being designed like that before.

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12 May 2020 - 12:04am
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Both Winaday and Slotland have these custom-built slots where it's pretty obvious the scatter symbols aren't "randomly" distributed, but in the opposite way where they rarely show up on the reels at all until you get a bonus. And then it's not all that uncommon to get 4 or 5 bonus symbols.

I think on those games it can still be considered random (maybe there's a 2% chance on any spin of getting a bonus) but it's not counting on random scatter symbols appearing on the reels. And when you are, then it shows the scatter symbols.

I'm probably doing a terrible job at explaining this, but it's like how class II games work by determining the win and then figuring out how to display it via the reels (which could be programmed to give more apparent "close misses"), instead of the RNG controlling the reels which then control the wins.

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12 May 2020 - 9:16am
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The slot is "Five Star Power Reels" from Red Tiger Gaming. I was playing it at Pokerstars, and more testing shows me that most likely the same goes for the jackpot symbol. Atleast I have never won a price with regular combinations if a jackpot symbol comes up.

The slot is a 8 reel, 5 line pay both way slot, and the fact that no matter where the scatter or jackpot symbol lands, the other reels kind of must "know" about the hit of one or more scatter symbols.

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14 May 2020 - 4:25pm
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Well, its not only the scatter symbols that are not random, its also all the reels, since they will at a 100% rate not give you a winning combinations when a scatter or a jackpot symbol come up. Also, I have seen the reels becomes predictive when a scatter symbol comes. This is a win both way slot, so when a scatter show up the slot will give you a "close hit". It can line up 7`s on reel 2,3,4,5,6 and then another symbol on reel 7, and then 7`s on reel 8, so it looks like you almost hit it big. I have started to watch it, and if a scatter symbol lands on the earlier reels, i can almost always predict reel 8 before it stops. I mean, the casinos and the providers blame to use a RNG generator so that noone has control over the outcome, but the more I play this slot, the less random it seem. I am going to review this slot but my feelings are more and more towards eighter a really bad review or blacklist material. And it is a shame because I kind of have liked Red Tiger Gamings slots, they are entertaining in the same time as they are easy.

I do understand what you mean Reckless Bets, but if that is true, then this is also a way of flattening the big win potential. Players tend to think about ROI these days, but high ROI is not going to do you any good if all the wins are small enough to keep you around 0 at best. If what you say is true for this slot then they have predeterminded that this slot can not pay out a winning of scatters and other symbols in the same time. Or a jackpot when the slot has that. They can also program the slot to pay a high ROI without ever be paying out the maximum prize. This is not what I consider random. Random should give no possibilities for a casino or operator to deside possible outcomes like that, or deside to remove possible outcomes.

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18 May 2020 - 3:47am
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i never play red tiger games at all because this games suck
real hard. they have no game with a rtp % higher then 96%
and it goes down to 92% which is ridiculous...+ the variance is almost always high

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19 May 2020 - 7:07pm
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The only thing that came to my mind was the usual line 'only highest combination pays' or something like that. Maybe you can capture some example to what you're saying so it's easier to understand?

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