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15 October 2019 - 8:46pm

question about playing same game in 2 different online casinos

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I apologize if this has already been discussed, I have only been playing for a week.
I found a slot on one reputable site, bet365, and the slot I found after trying many on the site was paying out randomly and large, I was able to cash out $420 and $1200. These totals took time to build up but it seemed as though every bonus paid well and often!
Suddenly, after a few days I played again, and its like the game dried right up. No longer paid bonuses as generously or as often. I stupidly wound up putting back a large sum of money. After a few days I decided to look for the same game on a different online casino, sure enough I did and had the same experience as before. It paid out slowly but surely and large once again on the new site i joined.
I also found that the 2 different casinos charged a different amount for the minimum bet.
My question is, do you think it was a random coincidence that the game dried up suddenly on the first site, or is it the casino that changes how much the game pays out?
I am trying to learn about all the details of how these games rank on websites and the rtp %.
I just found it so strange that the slot changed so drastically for me on one site, and then the other it started out generous again.
Thanks for any input on what you think could have happened.

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15 October 2019 - 10:23pm
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do you think it was a random coincidence that the game dried up suddenly on the first site, or is it the casino that changes how much the game pays out?

Yes this is due to the inherent variance of slot machines. They are high variance games compared to table games for example. This means that there is a big difference between the highest and lowest payouts within a game and that you can have winning streaks followed by long losing streaks and everything in between. The thing is our brains have evolved to recognise patterns in randomness even when none exist, so what can appear to be a repeating sequence or trend is often just misinterpreted

Don't forget that over the long run slots are designed to bank about 4-5% for the casino of the total of bets wagered which is where the old saying "the house never loses" comes from. So when you have a winning streak and finish ahead, a losing streak is inevitably going to hit you sooner or later.

What game were you playing? With a few exceptions, the vast majority of individual games that you find at online casinos have the same payout rate no matter which casino you play them at. The payout rate is fixed by the developer of the game who basically leases the game to the casinos, without giving them control or the ability to alter it.

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15 October 2019 - 11:02pm
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Thank you for taking the time to comment, I appreciate the info you shared.
The 2 games that were paying nice bonuses and they were hitting quite frequently! They were Buffalo Blitz and Epic Ape.
I find it odd that on bet365 the minimum bet is .80 cents and on others the minimum is .40 cents.
Was fun while it lasted, I learned a tough lesson, its so hard to leave a hot game but at the same time, you just never know when that machine will stop paying.

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15 October 2019 - 11:53pm
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Ok both of those games are published by Playtech and to my knowledge they do not allow the payout rates of their games to be configured by individual operators, so you were effectively playing the exact same game at both casinos. I guess that does show though that operators can request different minimum bet amounts.

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16 October 2019 - 12:49am
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urbngg wrote:

Thank you for taking the time to comment, I appreciate the info you shared.
The 2 games that were paying nice bonuses and they were hitting quite frequently! They were Buffalo Blitz and Epic Ape.
I find it odd that on bet365 the minimum bet is .80 cents and on others the minimum is .40 cents.
Was fun while it lasted, I learned a tough lesson, its so hard to leave a hot game but at the same time, you just never know when that machine will stop paying.

yeah it is like Ed already said...it doesn't matter at which casino you play the
same game. i've heard rumors that some providers offer some game with
different RTP% to the casinos ... but who knows.

anyway but what definitiv matters is which game you play...a game with a
low, medium or high variance. i played buffalo blitz a few times and it is
really a beast and had a very high veriance but can pay out huge even in
the base game

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16 October 2019 - 8:43pm
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My standard response to these kinds of questions is that a single slot player can almost never make a conclusion about a slot's RTP. It can take tens of millions of spins for a slot to hit its theoretical payout percentage. Anything you experience in the mean time is just a tiny sliver, and yeah, it's volatility will play a huge part. You can only hope to catch a series of wins and cashout, because the longer you play, the more you're virtually guaranteed to lose.

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16 October 2019 - 11:09pm
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Reckless Bets wrote:

My standard response to these kinds of questions is that a single slot player can almost never make a conclusion about a slot's RTP. It can take tens of millions of spins for a slot to hit its theoretical payout percentage. Anything you experience in the mean time is just a tiny sliver, and yeah, it's volatility will play a huge part. You can only hope to catch a series of wins and cashout, because the longer you play, the more you're virtually guaranteed to lose.

that is true reckless bets...but the RTP% information e.g. at slotcatalog.com
give's me a good taste of what to expect most of the times. i always check
up the RTP and variance information befor i try a new game.
so I can avoid games with too low RTP and a high variance from the beginning

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18 October 2019 - 1:30am
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I agree with Reckless Bets. You are only one player, and your experience is just playing at two separate casinos so you cannot make any assumptions based on that. It's like saying I flipped ten coins while at home and got 7 heads, then flipped ten coins at work and got 4 heads, and ask whether being at home changes the odds of getting heads. It's such a small sample size.

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