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30 July 2016 - 5:51pm

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If you are a player who plays often at casinos, you will begin to have a feel for the odds of winnings at the casinos you play. You will also know which casinos you should rarely play at because of the odds. To help fellow players, I wonder if people could post based on their experiences which casinos they think have the worst odds.

For me, the worst is Liberty Slots. Based on my experience playing there this year, I often wonder whether people ever win there. Sometime they will email about their big winners. I am beginning to think that's fake.

However, their sister casino, Lincoln Casino, is different. Their odds seem to be what you would expect at a reputable casino.

What about you fellow players, which casino you think is the worst to play at?

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Listen I'm a gambling addict, I take responsibility for my actions and at times it's a struggle. I've played online slots since day 1. I understand it's gambling and also entertainment but for these casinos and software companies to take advantage of us addicts is not right. Im not rich, I live check to check. I can honestly say over the past 10-15 years my losses are hundreds of thousands of dollars. After finding out about rigged betSoft games can someone help me with info on how to sue and get my money back. Most of my losses are at Bovada and a few others but any info would be great. As for worst casino, for me that's easy... Liberty slots / Lincoln casino. Games are fun but here are my stats. OVER 300 deposits and not one single cash out. It got so bad I just wanted to prove to myself I could win 1 time. Never came close.. Casino refused to send me my game play info and how many deposits I've made. I can say you have a 0% chance to win there. Anyone u says different is paid by them or a liar. Post proff of winning if u have. Thank you

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31 July 2016 - 5:56pm
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As for worst casino, for me that's easy... Liberty slots / Lincoln casino. Games are fun but here are my stats. OVER 300 deposits and not one single cash out. It got so bad I just wanted to prove to myself I could win 1 time. Never came close.. Casino refused to send me my game play info and how many deposits I've made. I can say you have a 0% chance to win there. Anyone u says different is paid by them or a liar. Post proff of winning if u have. Thank you

Wow, that's a lot of deposits without any winnings. I wonder if you found a difference between Liberty Slots and Lincoln Casino. I have won several times at Lincoln Casino. Liberty Slots is the only casino where I have never won.

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31 July 2016 - 6:59pm
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I get mad even thinking of Liberty slots. Not much different between the two for me. My money might last alittle longer at Lincoln and yes they have mobile game so enjoyed alittle more but always the same outcome. 0 dollars

Even worse is probably the fact that they treat me like my money is no big deal and could careless if I take it elsewhere.

Even worse than that, the fact that I keep on depositing there. The life as an addict. I would love to be face to face with whatever crook runs that casino.

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There certainly are spots where I feel like I always lose (most anywhere I go!), and some spots where I do well. I think most casinos have their numbers baked into the software. I'd say the bad ones are the casinos with the worst RTP numbers or the ones that have bootleg software where they could possibly alter the odds further into their favor.

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Your post raise the question of how much do you trust a casino that doesn't subject its games to any audits? Most casinos that accept Americans do not subject their games or payouts to third party auditing, so you have no idea of their actual payout rates. So you're left going on your own or shared experience and gut feeling.

The interesting thing is that I looked around their sites and both Liberty Slots and Lincoln Casino do in fact subject their games to ongoing audits of their results. I have attached the latest two to this post. So all good right? Well no, in fact. There is a big fat elephant in the room with these certificates and it is not what is certified by them, but what isn't. Take a look and see if you can spot what is missing.

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Even worse than that, the fact that I keep on depositing there. The life as an addict. I would love to be face to face with whatever crook runs that casino.

Its good that you recognise that you have a problem with gambling. It sounds to me like you need to seek some help to stop.

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1 August 2016 - 10:26am
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CL-Ed,

I read the certificates you posted. The audits for the two casinos were for Table Games, Video Poker and Keno. There is no mention of slots. If their slots games are not audited, that's a concern, especially based on my experience at Liberty Slots.

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1 August 2016 - 10:50pm
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Interesting topic. I play in Liberty slots only free daily tournaments. Haven't deposited here for a long time.

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Listen I'm a gambling addict, ... OVER 300 deposits and not one single cash out. It got so bad I just wanted to prove to myself I could win 1 time. Never came close..

I could say I'm gambling addict myself although never played at one of those but it sounds scary mate... I can't understand why you didn't change the casino earlier...with one you would have a much better chance of winning...anything, especially if you realizing how bad this casino is.
I don't think one win would change anything at all...I guess.

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2 August 2016 - 8:32am
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Just like any other addiction you have to be able to want to quit. As bad as it is I'm not ready yet. That said does anyone have info where I can sue for all my betSoft losses. Most were at Bovada, I mean a lot. They've already admitted some blame by removing all betSoft games. Please help

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I read the certificates you posted. The audits for the two casinos were for Table Games, Video Poker and Keno. There is no mention of slots. If their slots games are not audited, that's a concern, especially based on my experience at Liberty Slots.

Exactly. Thats a pretty strange omission isn't it?

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That said does anyone have info where I can sue for all my betSoft losses. Most were at Bovada, I mean a lot. They've already admitted some blame by removing all betSoft games. Please help

Both Betsoft and Bovada are set up in jurisdictions that make it extremely hard for you to sue. Have you contacted Bovada and asked for a refund?

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4 August 2016 - 5:14pm
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Thanks for the info. Yes I've contacted Bovada. They took no responsibility and pretty much said sorry it wasn't their problem. Unbelievable, it is a shame to know how much money and time I've spent playing their rigged games. It would take me a month to figure out how many transactions I've made their. How could anyone deposit there knowing what I've just said. I bet I'm in their top 10 all time gamblers and they've done nothing absolutely zero to try and make me happy. What a scam. Is there anyone here at CL that can help me deal with Bovada. I'm willing to give 25% of anything I can get returned. Believe me I've deposited a truck load there. Thanks

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Hello ,
Post / File a Complaint at Ask Gamblers. I did file a Complaint with very slow payouts from Planet7 and after submitting my complaint , a lady named Tawni go on it and I had a check for my withdrawal in 2 weeks. Where it was taking other players months to get paid... I think it did help .

I sure could use 25% of anything at this point !! Lol . Good luck if you go that route.

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Sabrina3939.. Planet 7 is an outright rogue casino. In recent times it seems that they will pay you if you find the right person and make a public complaint, like you did, but think about the countless others that don't go public. Those guys have been ripping off people for nearly 2 decades now. I wouldn't go back there if I were you.

Inyourmouth, I'll send you a PM about Bovada and see if I can get in contact with them on your behalf. We're probably not flavour of the month there at the moment after revealing the Betsoft situation to everyone but I will try.

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Ohh I've learned my lesson at Planet 7 .. Those 2 withdrawals I did with them , caused me a ton of headache !!! Both times actually I had to file a online complaint just to get the check sent out. But it was a extra hassle players shouldn't have to go thru to get paid. I also noticed since then that any offers they send me now are 30 times wagering !!! Where before I withdrew I got offers daily of No Rules /No max Cashout, those are all not offered to ME now . All because of 2 Cashouts ( 1st Cashout was from a deposit & I didn't use NO Bonus) . I didn't realize Royal Ace was Connected to them and Now they are trying to Not Pay Me a bit over $3,000. I posted about that incident on here , but under a forum about Royal Ace . It's a Very Slick / Scamming thing Royal is trying to pull on me now. If you get a chance CL-Ed go and read it on here... Shocking!!

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5 August 2016 - 8:11am
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CL-Ed ... Thank you very much for even reading my complaint let alone trying to help. It's very much appreciated.

Honestly I would give you or the website 25% of every dime I got back. Again, thank you

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Hey, for me, the worst RTG Casinos are iNetBet USD, Jackpot Capital, Highnoon Casino, Manhattan Slots.
Mostly my balance just stayed so so and then fell quite quickly Smile

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I only played once at jackpot capital but went thru almost 400 in less than 20 minutes. Have never had that happen at another casino so their odds are the worst for me. All the others I have tried seem to be pretty consistent.

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It seems that all of the casinos that service American Players tend to have worst odds than others.

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Yeah this is the thing. Most American-facing casinos do not publish their RTP numbers for their games - either the theoretical ones or the actual returns that have paid out over the past week or month. This is likely because they are all set up in loosely regulated (or even unregulated) jurisdictions that don't compel them to do it. In addition there is not as much competition from game suppliers so the ones that do approve of their games being played by Americans don't have as much incentive to make the payout rates high. In comparison over the past few years with all the new European based game developers popping up, we know the RTP of their games, and we can see that in many cases it is better than 96 or even 97% sometimes, which is very high for a slot machine.

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CL-Ed wrote:

Yeah this is the thing. Most American-facing casinos do not publish their RTP numbers for their games - either the theoretical ones or the actual returns that have paid out over the past week or month. ...we know the RTP of their games, and we can see that in many cases it is better than 96 or even 97% sometimes, which is very high for a slot machine.

Thanks Ed for the explanation. I have been playing less and less for months now. The way things are going, I will eventually stop playing altogether unless things change in the operation of these casinos.

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I think I have to agree with the guy. Not all casino odd of winning are the same. One casino might have lower percentage of winning and the other has higher.

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I think I have to agree with the guy. Not all casino odd of winning are the same. One casino might have lower percentage of winning and the other has higher.

Casinos serving American players are the worst.

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Actually since my last post about American friendly casinos not posting their RTP numbers, I noticed that the World Online group do (Club World, Lucky red, Aladdin's Gold etc). You can check it out here.

The one that you probably most want to see is the "Real Series Video Slots" and they are as follows:

September 2016: 94.42%
June 2016: 94.14%
March 2016: 94.46%
December 2015: 93.91%
September 2015: 94.13%
June 2015: 93.95%
March 2015: 94.18%

This suggests that their RTG slots are set to a payback of approximately 94-95%.

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CL-Ed wrote:

The one that you probably most want to see is the "Real Series Video Slots" and they are as follows:

September 2016: 94.42%
June 2016: 94.14%
March 2016: 94.46%
December 2015: 93.91%
September 2015: 94.13%
June 2015: 93.95%
March 2015: 94.18%

This suggests that their RTG slots are set to a payback of approximately 94-95%.

Great information to have, Ed. Thanks. I had not played at any casino in about 10 days and was thinking of never playing again.

Besides the lack of information on the odds which was a factor in my decision, It was also based on the fact that these casinos seem to be using only one payment processor, who has decided that he will not deliver more than one check in one week to any winning player regardless whether the checks are from different casinos.

If you are a player spending thousands per week on slots games at different casinos, these kinds of decisions will affect whether you play or not. I hope that the World Online group is different in that regard too.

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Yeah the word is that a lot of RTG casinos share a common payment processor that has had issues recently. So too have Bovada and related casinos which is why they are encouraging bitcoin use so much these days.

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It's not only the RTG casinos. Both lincoln casino and liberty slots, for example, use the same processor that the RTG casinos use.

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ive been playing at uptown quite a bit and havent won anything since i first started. I asked the chat what my deposits and withdraws were. it was 5k and 1k withdraws. i withdrew the 1st week i started and 400 1 other time. I cant even get close to making it thru playthru and no matter what I bet there are no substantial hits. I am convinced they know its me when I log on and have it set to where I wont win anything. I dont know why I keep playing. Casino extreme seems to have bad odds too. Ive deposited over and over with never hitting more than a few dollars. I keep playing there bc of the instant option hoping ill hit but it just doesnt happen.

Last year at the land casino i won about 60k all together. Im sure i spent that much but i just cant believe i cant even hit a few 100. I always seemed pretty lucky playing slots.

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aha thanks for the share of your experienced about Planet 7 I get mails of them bonus and also got sms by them to make a deposit to get this blah blah blah but id only choice to deposit at slotjoint and 777.be and rizk casino. thanks for the share to aware the people about this scam bag site.

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I have mixed feelings about Planet 7. I know they are scammers, but from all of my research, it seems that they DO eventually pay out every approved withdrawal...they're just ridiculously slow. I am awaiting four payments from Planet 7 right now. I keep going back because it is just soooooo easy to win there. They seem to always have a No Rules (1x playthrough) bonus of 200% to 300%, plus 30 or so free spins with each deposit. I give them $50, play it through, and always have a withdrawal of greater than what I deposited. I've literally never lost there. When I give them a deposit, I do it knowing that I won't see my withdrawal for 2-3 months, but I honestly don't care as long as I get it eventually. I believe they are crooked and count on their players getting frustrated and giving up on following up on their withdrawals...but I just don't give up. I keep a spreadsheet of every withdrawal I make from every casino and I harass the non-payers about once a week.

Here's what I currently have outstanding with Planet 7...as you can see, one of them dates back as far as early January. I know it will come eventually though. That said, I would never go higher than about $300 - $400 in deposited funds outstanding with them, just in case one day they decide that they aren't going to pay at all.

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I'm having the same problem. Not wanting to payout a withdrawal!!

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