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27 December 2012 - 7:18am

888.com online casino is a cheater

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There is a video on youtube, where you can see how 888.com casino stops a players lucky streak with unfair tricks. Are they really reputable, can you trust them ? You can make decision yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaBncVcmb9o

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27 December 2012 - 12:40pm
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The person who made the video is a scammer. He tried peddling this story unsuccessfully at other sites like Casinomeister which you can read here if you would like to waste part of your day:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/53401-888-com-online-...

His complaint was also rejected by the Gibraltar gaming authorities.

Sadanovsky is likely the same person or at least knows the scammer given they are both located in Georgia (the country near Russia).

As an aside, I find it laughable that someone that supposedly has $5000 to deposit and play blackjack cannot afford to pay $50 to register the screen recording software he used to make this video that ends up being plastered with "demo version" notices all over the screen.

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27 December 2012 - 7:12pm
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The person who made the video is a scammer. He tried peddling this story unsuccessfully at other sites like Casinomeister which you can read here if you would like to waste part of your day:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/53401-888-com-online-...

His complaint was also rejected by the Gibraltar gaming authorities.

Sadanovsky is likely the same person or at least knows the scammer given they are both located in Georgia (the country near Russia).

As an aside, I find it laughable that someone that supposedly has $5000 to deposit and play blackjack cannot afford to pay $50 to register the screen recording software he used to make this video that ends up being plastered with "demo version" notices all over the screen.

Wow, CL-Ed, you really "know your stuff." lol! No one can pull one over on US, thanks to YOU. It is amazing how dedicated you are to this site and how much knowledge you share with us, no matter what the topic and no matter what someone tries to "share" with us. I appreciate you! Smile

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31 December 2012 - 8:18am
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In 2002, 888.com and Microgaming joined forces to create eCOGRA. Everyone knows that all gambling sites sealed by ecogra are trustful. Some guys have nothing to do with their own time.

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31 December 2012 - 4:30pm
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In 2002, 888.com and Microgaming joined forces to create eCOGRA. Everyone knows that all gambling sites sealed by ecogra are trustful. Some guys have nothing to do with their own time.

'paulo, where in the world have you been? Why did you make yourself so scarce and now here you are! Great to see you posting again. Smile

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1 January 2013 - 2:25am
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When I tried to register at that casino and filled in my address etc I couldn't even find the USA in there list of countries so assumed no one from USA was allowed to play. How did you guys do that lol?

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When I tried to register at that casino and filled in my address etc I couldn't even find the USA in there list of countries so assumed no one from USA was allowed to play. How did you guys do that lol?

If you are talking about 888, it does NOT take players from the United States. Not sure who you are talking about when you say, "you guys?" Anyway, you can always check the reviews here first and there is a section for U.S. casinos only. Also, in the general section ,if there is no U.S. flag next to the name, it does not take U.S. players.

http://www.casinolistings.com/casinos/888-casino-review

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8 January 2013 - 7:25am
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I am not a same person, not too long, but I know her. And I don't find their blah blah on a forum convincing, cause some people try too damn hard while defending casino and talk some BS (typical casino employee behavior ). On the other hand there is a video and it speaks for itself. No blah blah in the world can be more convincing, than what I see with my own eyes... By the way, If a person is a scammer, how is that possible that nobody forced her/him to remove these videos yet ? nobody sued her/him ? nobody flagged on youtube ? I mean, com on, If you have a great reputation and someone spreads information like this on youtube wouldn't u force that person to remove that video ? Sue, jail her ? Of course you would, unless she tells the truth.

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8 January 2013 - 8:16am
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His complaint was also rejected by the Gibraltar gaming authorities.

))) Yeah, if they rejected her complaint, than you've convinced me. Now I believe you, Just show me few examples where players complaint was not rejected by the Gibraltar gaming authorities. Good luck finding such cases.

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8 January 2013 - 2:33pm
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M8, everyone is free to believe in whatever they want. It's easy to fake a video and i dont't belive that a mega holding like 888 have such behavior. I don't like 888 just because the slots are tight and they don't have many good slots too.

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8 January 2013 - 4:36pm
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It seriously wouldn't make any sense Sadanovsky, 888 is a HUGE brand, and the bad publicity that would be attached to it if it was cheating would sink the company. They make more than enough money doing things legit.

The video is a fraud, and Ed is probably right that you are connected to this shitty fake video. Go ahead and deceive yourself if you want, but please don't try pushing that bull on us. We know better.

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8 January 2013 - 4:49pm
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M8, everyone is free to believe in whatever they want. It's easy to fake a video and i dont't belive that a mega holding like 888 have such behavior. I don't like 888 just because the slots are tight and they don't have many good slots too.

Ok, and it's easier for you to believe that some scammer makes fake videos against mega holding 888.com to harm it's reputation and this fake videos are still out there ? 888 does not sue this person and demand all kinds of compensations or at least force her to remove the video? Why it was not flagged and if it was, why it was not removed? Youtube team is reviewing these kinds of videos 24 hours a day . I mean, it is the first result in youtube search, when you type 888.com and company does nothing to stop this ? To me that's absurd. Unless the video is not actually fake.

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8 January 2013 - 4:57pm
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The video is a fraud, and Ed is probably right that you are connected to this shitty fake video. Go ahead and deceive yourself if you want, but please don't try pushing that bull on us. We know better.

Yeah, that's exactly what I've asked if it's fraud and harms company's reputation why it is not removed or why they did not sue the uploader, it's bad publicity already ) and calm down please, you can believe whatever you want I am not arguing with you, Have a nice day.

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8 January 2013 - 7:39pm
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I don't know much about this entire issue, but I DO know it is not that easy to get videos taken down. If they won't even take down a video that started crime and hysteria and hatred, I doubt they will give serious thought about taking the 888 video down.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/20/tech/california-anti-islam-film/index.html

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8 January 2013 - 9:44pm
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Youtube is full of videos with copyrights, videos showing terrorists cutting real persons heads, etc... and they don't care about it. Why will they care with one selfmade video about one casino?

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8 January 2013 - 10:46pm
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Youtube is full of videos with copyrights, videos showing terrorists cutting real persons heads, etc... and they don't care about it. Why will they care with one selfmade video about one casino?

Youtube may do nothing if you do not let them know that this videos are fraud and are intended to harm your reputation. 888 guys must act to take down this video, if they care for their reputation, not youtube. And if they do not act, that means that they have something to hide. Any major company would sue the publishers of such a video and make them not only remove it , but also pay for their actions, unless the publisher of the video tells the truth.. You can cry out whatever you want, accuse the other party in cheating and fraud, but in reality only actions show who is who. and 888 guys don't do, or can't do anything to terminate this video. That makes me think that accusations in videos are legit . So, why would I believe casino and not the player ? cause they have lot's of money ? Lots of folks are saying that they've been screwed by online casinos and particularly this one, but this time the difference is in money amount and this time someone made a real video how it's done, not just words. So does 888 casino acts in a scammy way ? I don't know for sure, but I know for sure that I will never deposit there and never advice anyone to play there.

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This is getting very silly. Claiming that because the casino has not had the video removed from Youtube is evidence that it is true and they have something to hide makes no sense. If they had something to hide then surely they would want it taken down? They could ask to have it removed irrespective of whether it is fake or real. How would Youtube know either way? Or they might not be bothered seeing as it has been watched only 2806 times so far. Are you saying that every video on Youtube is 100% accurate and real? If not then why hasn't Youtube removed all the fakes? See how that is a stupid argument?

As for the video, I find it odd that the player never ever makes a real bet during the video, only sitting at a table to show their name then leaving, even though the play history suggests they were betting as much as $5000 per hand. The one occasion when they do "place a bet to prove it is real" as it says in the video, they put a $100 chip down even though the balance is over $100,000 and they don't even play the hand, instead removing it and exiting. That is just weird. The fact that the player was "recording sessions just in case" as it also says in the video suggests that they had reason to believe that they might not be paid.

Then in the Casinomeister forum thread linked they were asked multiple times to show some proof that the poster's 77 year old grandma was playing live blackjack online. They never did and just argued their way out of it, using preposterous arguments like "I don't have and can't afford a camera" - er hang on weren't you depositing $5000 into a casino a little while ago? This is the most telling thing and leaves me concluding that the player was either an identity thief using the ID of a 77 year old woman and possibly their card details to play, or they were in fact the grandson but playing without grandma's permission. The bottom line is the player is a scammer and really should be happy that they got away with $60,000 in withdrawals before getting caught. As for the BS sob story and videos, give it a rest.

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9 January 2013 - 11:54am
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Or they might not be bothered seeing as it has been watched only 2806 times so far. Are you saying that every video on Youtube is 100% accurate and real? If not then why hasn't Youtube removed all the fakes? See how that is a stupid argument?
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Man, sorry but it is really the oddest thing I've ever heard )))) So. what are u saying ? They are waiting when more people watches it until they do something to take it down? Now that would be really silly. Of course they want it down. And I don't care what they've been asked on CM forum, I read also some comments and they were all hostile from the beginning, didn't you notice that ? Even before they've been asked to prove something, there were lots of hostile comments, If it was me, I wouldn't even bother to prove anything to audience like that, cause it was so obvious that there are lots of casino guys there. Bad rep for one online casino like 888 is bad rep for all remote gambling, of course they would defend casino. She does not show gameplay, that may seem wired, but it does not mean that money was not there. The realty is the account with a big cash in it is blocked and the reason is that some one had some suspicions. Well, we have right to think whatever we want, but when casino takes that amount of money basing it on suspicion, that's ridiculous, Even if indeed there was identity stealing, that fact must be proved when you touch 100 000. There letter says that they based this decision on fact that she herself does not speak English and some telephone call, now that's real bullshit. I am sure they did it, cause she was winning big and they were not sure she would loose (maybe she was counting), simple as that .

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they are cheaters try to register from the netherlands couldnt register to the site

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9 January 2013 - 4:01pm
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I'm not 100% sure, but perhaps 888 is not licensed in the Netherlands. Its very possible that the site is restricted in your country and that is why you can't register.

I don't know about the Netherlands, but Belgium is currently blacklisting 888 due to licensing issues.

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I don't know what you are trying to achieve here. The casino is not going to pay you. The Gibraltar Regulatory Authority has ruled against you. You have said your piece and made your illogical arguments. You are an identity thief who is unwilling to show proof of the supposed 77 year old grandma playing. If I had over $100,000 on the line I would not be saying stupid things like I don't have a camera to film her and can't afford one.

Case closed. Thread locked.

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