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17 April 2011 - 5:05am

Rival white-label casinos stop accepting new U.S. players

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In a reaction which is most likely due to the action taken against several U.S. friendly poker rooms over the weekend, Rival "white-label" casinos have apparently stopped accepting new U.S. players. A white-label is basically just a casino that is in effect owned and run by Rival itself, with the day to day marketing done by an affiliate who earns a commission. Almost all of them are very mediocre casinos so it is no great loss.

But it means every Rival casino no longer accepts U.S. players except for these independently owned and run ones:

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17 April 2011 - 9:38pm
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This latest fed move is a big problem for our US buddies. I'm afraid the circle is narrowing down... And I'm afraid of what may be coming next... Sad

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17 April 2011 - 10:44pm
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I am not so pessimistic. The reason is that all the indications point to Daniel Tzvetkoff being the informant trying to save himself from going to prison. As the ex-head of their payment processor he had intimate knowledge of how these specific poker sites work and once arrested he had enough incentive to talk.

The other thing to consider is the possibility of this being an operation to "clear the decks" of the dominant players in a market that a lot of land-based casinos want legalised. Suddenly the poker market is wide open and it makes the entry of Harrahs / Wynns / whoever else a lot more appealing. Coincidence? Maybe... we'll have to wait and see.

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18 April 2011 - 1:11am
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With D.C. adopting online gambling laws perhaps you are right Ed. I could see this as clearing the "dirty" foreign casinos and making way for the Big U.S. Casinos to come in and rake up the bank. I don't like it, but I can see it.

On the note of how the current casinos handle transactions and such: I have noticed for me being a US player that when I deposit, the transaction is posted as what I would call a "shady" website that really is just a front; that money is forwarded to the casino instantly and when I want to withdraw it is sent from Antigua to an Indian Reservation in Quebec and a check is drafted from a bank in Texas, which is then shipped from Canada to me...

The whole thing smacks of something that the Feds are going to be looking to crack down on to make things easier for their lobbyists (Big Casinos). I am really worried about this and am hesitant to put money in if there is a chance my money will be frozen up.

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18 April 2011 - 11:36pm
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The thing that annoys me most is that there are known groups of dirty casinos like the Virtual group (Cool Cat, Palace of Chance etc) that are being run by a guy with a criminal conviction in the United States and they shut down some of the most professionally run poker sites instead. It has nothing to do with protecting players and everything to do with money, which is why I suspect they may be clearing things in preparation for legalisation and the entry of the companies with the big lobbying bucks to spend.

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19 April 2011 - 2:38pm
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I'll tell ya what "annoyed" is, being on this side of the fence on American soil and the frustration of not being able to spend our dollars the way we want to. It's defianately about the ALMIGHTY dollar. Of course they are gonna come at Poker with a tomahawk and really cut the deck so hard it cracks the table and the chips come tumbling straight in their laps. Poker is the biggest business in the online industry. Groups like Virtual are small potatoes in comparison and the DOJ aren't going to waste there time on it.

Let's face it, we all knew it was coming. We all held our breaths - the player, the affiliates, the casinos, poker, sports books and bingo desparately clinging to just one more day to buck the UIGEA. The online community used every trick in the book to fight the law and the law won. And we all seek the same thing in the end the ALMIGHTY dollar! .

Now every last one of us walk around with a big black and blue eye and we are fighting mad. We go to battle with a rubber sword borrowed from the toy store up against 20" artillery sword of the US. We simply never were going to win and we all knew it.

And who suffered the most during this travesty? The American gambler that's who. It's been instilled in us since our forefathers "land of the free". That sword cuts deeper then just not being able to call your "all in" at the poker table. They took away everything we been raised to believe - FREEDOM!

While everyone squacks at the prospect of the US setting up camp on the online turf, deep down inside the US player is glad they are going to finally step up to the plate. No other player has gotten a beating from the online casinos like the US player. Without them, unfortunatly we have zero rights or protection. All we ever could do is turn to forums like this and plead for justice. We got into this mess and we can owe it all to the US gov.

How did the US ever let all slip through the cracks anyway! Ahhh yes the complicated mess of TAXES. Wasn't easy to get all their ducks in a row and implement hefty taxes on our wins so they did the next best thing BAN us.

In closing, all i can say is there is light at the end of the tunnel for us all concerned. Legalization is on it's way. And i for one will be glad when these days are nothing more then a bad memory.

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19 April 2011 - 4:14pm
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If and when online gambling is legalized in America, I think you will see a great influx in the industry. There is so much to offer online, and all sorts of good can come from it: jobs, taxable revenue, etc...

I really am excited for the future, but wary of the times that are right now. After thinking about it the last few days I am going to say "Screw You" to the government and keep up my online wagers with offshore casinos. If they want to mess with me and freeze my money, they can go ahead and that will be the risk I take; I won't be happy about it, but I will accept it for the time being.

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19 April 2011 - 10:54pm
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Usne that is an excellent post. Your frustration is jumping out of the screen at me! Hang in there sister, we can only hope better times are ahead.

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The online community used every trick in the book to fight the law and the law won.

That made me think of this... must be you in the cell Usne btw lol

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21 April 2011 - 4:33pm
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Cute analogy Ed. But oh how i love to spar and debate with you. Can ya tell.....wink!

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22 April 2011 - 4:32pm
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My heart is totally broken! Over the past few months I have not been checking in. Why?

Because I have been too busy playing at Casino US (under my old River Nile account number) and Vegas Slot Casino (under my old Colosseum Casino account number). These sporting casinos featured all of the Microgamming slots that I loved and missed so much! Now they have been yanked from me again. It feels like someone is trying to carve out my liver with a butter knife! Cry

But I must agree with Ed. If there is to be a "spring cleaning," they should have started with the Virtual Casino Group. Isn't this just like the US? It is much like letting the starving man go to jail for stealing a loaf of bread while the murders are set free to do as they please.

I have lived in the USA my entire life. It used to be a wonderful country in which to live. However, over the last ten years or so, it sure does not feel much feel like the "Land of the Free"

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22 April 2011 - 10:06pm
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Yeah, well, it's been over the news today that more and more casinos are shutting their doors to US players, thanks to the federal crackdown. Especially the Microgaming ones, so things are not looking too bright at the moment for you Rodaaf... Sad

Still, as Ed said, there's gotta be light at the end of the tunnel, the US is a nation too open to just swallow such a big marketing trick as this supposed anti-gambling initiative.

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24 April 2011 - 12:02am
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Sorry to hear that Rodaaf. I suspect all the Microgaming U.S. spin-off casinos must have been using the same processing solutions, so they would present a very big target, hence the voluntary shutdown. Smaller casino groups who have set up their own payment processor will continue to accept U.S. action though. Lets hope some sanity prevails sooner rather than later...

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Rodaaf282 wrote:

My heart is totally broken! Over the past few months I have not been checking in. Why?

Because I have been too busy playing at Casino US (under my old River Nile account number) and Vegas Slot Casino (under my old Colosseum Casino account number). These sporting casinos featured all of the Microgamming slots that I loved and missed so much! Now they have been yanked from me again. It feels like someone is trying to carve out my liver with a butter knife! Cry

But I must agree with Ed. If there is to be a "spring cleaning," they should have started with the Virtual Casino Group. Isn't this just like the US? It is much like letting the starving man go to jail for stealing a loaf of bread while the murders are set free to do as they please.

I have lived in the USA my entire life. It used to be a wonderful country in which to live. However, over the last ten years or so, it sure does not feel much feel like the "Land of the Free"

I understand and so relate to you. They are Gone with the wind (pun intended). Love your pic btw i really feel like i'm talking to Ms Scarlet!

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