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28 December 2010 - 4:34pm

Anyone play at Betcruise? (spam posted by Betcruise)

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I just signed up at Betcruise which has a casino and some interesting games I have never heard before. You can play with and without house edge...anyone played there? I see mixed reviews when i googled it.
I wanted to know before I make a deposit.

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28 December 2010 - 11:02pm
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I have seen it before (a few years ago), but never played there as they didn't offer a bonus at the time. From what I have heard they pay you quickly after verifying your ID. I might check them out now actually as I don't really play with bonuses any more.

They have the no house edge casino games but be aware that they deduct 10% from your winnings when you withdraw:

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During a withdrawal of funds from the gambling portal to third-party payments systems, a 10% house fee will be taken from the player's net winnings. There is no house fee on winnings from casino games that do not offer equal odds.

I also just saw this note on their site:

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In order to compensate for inflation, beginning December 7th, all players' accounts with a balance of 100 euros or more will receive daily interest at a rate of 7.3% per annum

That is a pretty good interest rate .. I wouldn't be putting my life savings in there though!

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28 December 2010 - 11:10pm
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I should add that if you like the idea of zero house edge games without bonuses then Betfair has their Zero Lounge which is the same thing, but without the 10% deduction when you withdraw.

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14 January 2011 - 5:00pm
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the weather couldn't be worse but it is a good day to play some freerolls. I made a deposit at Betraiser and I can play unlimited Freerolls. I

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9 March 2011 - 6:30pm
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leogirl, have you ever won a freeroll at betvoyager / betraiser ? are you able to payout the amount straightaway or do they want you to rollover?

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10 March 2011 - 12:48am
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just stumbled upon this thread here. am i right to understand, that i can play pretty much "for free" there? meaning no house edge on the casino games and no rake for poker either?

oh, just saw they take 10% of the profits at cashout. anyone have experience with that? sounds like alot, or am i wrong? and how is the traffic there? does anyone actually play there and give some advice? thanks in adavance Smile

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10 March 2011 - 7:11am
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I'll try doing a simple scenario on a theoretical 50/50 game - eg Baccarat with no commission.

You stake a single $10 bet:

- if you win you get $10 then pay back $1 when you withdraw.
- if you lose, you get nothing.
- so half the time you have $19, half the time you have $0.
- this means the expected value of a single bet is 19 / 2, which is $9.50.
- In that simple scenario that is a 5% house edge or "vig" (50 cents is 5% of $10).

The true house edge is likely to be a little lower because in a session you will place multiple bets and you only pay the commission on your total winnings at the end, if you win. Its not like traditional Baccarat or Pai Gow Poker where the commission is accumulated or deducted from every winning hand which reduces your bankroll as you play.

But its still a house edge by proxy.

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14 March 2011 - 6:45pm
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now that was actually a helpful post, thanks very much Smile

so it depends A LOT on how many times i bet and how much i bet. guess i´ll need to take a closer look at their other games. 5% is quite a lot compared to "no house edge at all", though Sad

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15 March 2011 - 12:31am
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Yes its a difficult one to calculate precisely because you only pay it after you win on your total profit. Its like a tax!

I think Betfair is a better option overall - they have their "zero lounge" with no commission. They have zero house edge blackjack, video poker, roulette with no zero, plus maybe a couple more games. You can't take a bonus and play those games though.

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24 March 2011 - 8:34am
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well how is it calculated if i lose half of my bankroll and then "win" it back? will i pay the "tax" too? cause acutally i won the half of my bankroll...

then it would be exactly the same as every other pokersite Surprized

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I assume it is calculated at the point of withdrawal. So if you deposit, lose half then win it back you shouldn't have to pay anything. But if you withdrew in the middle, redeposited and won then you would probably have to pay it.

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31 March 2011 - 8:50am
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Hi CL-Ed,

sounds true, yes. Furthermore I wonder why the traffic there is that low. I checked out pokerscout.com and even betraiser traffic peak is too low for grinding in some serious way. Well maybe I´ll take it to play 1-2 tables while grinding at Stars or FTP. ..

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There may be less players true but that might mean more fish compared to grinders. I've certainly found that to be the case at other smaller poker sites - but note I haven't played at Betcruise.

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now i stumbled across their poker site as well, not playing too much poker actually, just wanted to know, if anyone has an idea how much less (or more?) these 10% of net winnings are compared to what i pay in rake during a month?

are there some grinders here who could actually give a comparison? Smile

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CL-Ed wrote:

I'll try doing a simple scenario on a theoretical 50/50 game - eg Baccarat with no commission.

You stake a single $10 bet:

- if you win you get $10 then pay back $1 when you withdraw.
- if you lose, you get nothing.
- so half the time you have $19, half the time you have $0.
- this means the expected value of a single bet is 19 / 2, which is $9.50.
- In that simple scenario that is a 5% house edge or "vig" (50 cents is 5% of $10).

The true house edge is likely to be a little lower because in a session you will place multiple bets and you only pay the commission on your total winnings at the end, if you win. Its not like traditional Baccarat or Pai Gow Poker where the commission is accumulated or deducted from every winning hand which reduces your bankroll as you play.

But its still a house edge by proxy.

But betvoyager has other payouts comparing with betfair!

I quote from the betvoyager site

"If the bet on Punto wins, the player gets additional 2.76% of the win. In other words, this bet is paid 1.0276:1. If the bet on Banco wins, the casino keeps not 5% of the win, but only 2.7%. When the game ends in a tie, the bet on a tie is paid 9.5:1."

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10 April 2011 - 9:47pm
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Yes that is how they make the games zero house edge. But then deducting 10% from your winnings when you withdraw is something that Betfair does not do.

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Checkraiser1978 wrote:

now i stumbled across their poker site as well, not playing too much poker actually, just wanted to know, if anyone has an idea how much less (or more?) these 10% of net winnings are compared to what i pay in rake during a month?

are there some grinders here who could actually give a comparison? Smile

well i d say it depends on what your winrate is. If you tell me I´d be able to calculate for you. Just take average figures by using google and you know what amount of rake you would have paid. Then compare with 10% of winnings if the "winning fee" is higher than the rake you would pay on other sites then you dont need to care about money anymore i suppose Tongue

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hmm, maybe i should do that, so i can jump right in, once traffic increases Smile

i looked into sit-and-gos and having "no rake" in those would be the best thing ever, as anyone with basic understanding could beat the games Smile

let´s hope they get things started soon, rly curious how it would work out Thinking

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hi there..
just wanted to add, that you´re def. right when it comes to SNGs.......too lazy to calculate for cashgames, hahaha.

just take let´s say 12$ games on FTP: play 2000 games, makes $2000. you would have to make $20,000 in winnings to pay the same amount when you cash out on betraiser, just think about that for a moment lol

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You know what, when you put it like that it is a very cheap deal. Its a shame that it matters little because there are hardly any players there.

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14 May 2011 - 2:50pm
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that´s exactly what i´m talking about lol
i don´t know that many ppl who easily make 20k a month grinding sng Tongue
but getting enough traffic for SNG-grinders is even harder than in cash games.
when you look at merge for example: they have about 65% MORE traffic after "black friday" but still, SNGs are not enough to "grind", whereas cash tables run on almost all limits, 24/7

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hi there,
just took a peek at the carbonpoker lobby and looked for sng´s: you know what? you´re right. even AFTER black friday and merge still accepting Us-players, sng-traffic is nowhere NEAR anything stars, ftp or even party offer right now Surprized

it´s kinda weird, maybe i should switch to CG myself, at least there´s alway some action there Tongue

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hi blorgh. you´re actually right, switching to cash games is probably a good idea, since it doesn´t matter, where you play, you´ll always get action. SNGs without US-players is pretty boring tbh. it´s all full of russian grinders -.-

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hehehe, true dat. just played couple of sessions this week on FTP there´s these 24/7 russian grinders EVERYWHERE!!

kinda sucks A LOT!!

hope that betcruise gets their stuff together in the future, i hate all those grinders lol

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14 June 2011 - 1:50pm
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that´s it, i quit! lol
just played bout 2.000 games on FTP and you are SO RIGHT. just russian and spanish grinders everywhere Sad

playing roulette is probably more profitable lol

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took some time off from FTP and played some blackjack on betcruise instead, probably about as much of a luckfest as those Sng´s. at least i ran better there Smile

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28 June 2011 - 12:23am
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Enough guys, really. This amateur attempt at forum spamming has to stop. I would have let it slide but you keep reviving the thread.

leogirl (original poster) ... posting from 200.6.63.254

IP address of gamesys.an website (owner of betcruise): 200.6.63.20
IP address of betcruise: 200.6.63.18 and betvoyager: 200.6.63.24

What a great way to go and ruin your reputation.

Checkraiser1978 and blorgh, you're both posting off other near identical German IP addresses. Are you one person with a split personality, or best friends, and/or working for these guys too?

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