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3 December 2010 - 1:39pm

Cheating Online Slot Machines

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Hi CL Members,

If there is a will, there is a way to cheat on a slot machine when going to a brick and mortar casino. One of the most famous cheaters of all time was Tommy Glen Carmichael. He first began cheating in the 80's after creating different devices to cheat with and two jail terms later he is banned to step foot in any casino.

The crazy thing is, since he has been out of prison he created a device to prevent slot machine cheaters. What not a better person than him to know the tricks to stop a cheater! Casinos have not implemented this device because they are just a bit leery.

But what about online slots, is it possible to cheat? I know there has been some programs for online poker cheats but i think it is near impossible to cheat an online slot. Well, i take that back there is one way a player can cheat an online slot......bonus whore!

I think an online casino has a better chance of cheating us then us cheating them. Some casinos have the edge by controlling the payout percentages and if all else fails then they simply don't pay you when it is time to collect. These are the rogue casinos and for every bad one there is a good one to be found!

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4 December 2010 - 5:20am
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Anything is possible, but its a matter of difficulty. Unless the programmers of the online casino software are incompetent you can't "hack" an online casino to find out the results in time to adjust your play accordingly because all the spins, cards etc are drawn on the casino's server and you are simply sent the results - after you have made your choice.

However online casinos use what is called a random number generator (RNG) or more correctly a psuedo-RNG. "Psuedo" because (and I'm getting into computer science here) technically as computers are deterministic - i.e. you give them inputs and tell them what to do and they give you outputs or results - computers cannot generate truly random numbers.

Now before anyone shouts "Aha! I knew it! Its all rigged! I was cheated" etc, the end result of using a psuedo-RNG as opposed to a genuine RNG makes almost no difference in the real world - the game results are still effectively random. So when you play a hand of blackjack online, the casino says it "shuffles the deck". What this really means is that they regenerate a new set of psuedo-random numbers which represent the cards in the deck. And they do this over and over again for each new dealt hand - one side effect of this is to make card counting almost irrelevant online.

But in the context of hacking the casino, it does make a difference. Because if you knew all the different inputs used in the psuedo-RNG then you could recreate and simulate it on your own computer and output the exact same sequence of "random" numbers. If you could do that then you could predict what the result of the next hand of blackjack or spin of roulette or slot spin would be.

And believe it or not but I once read an article - which I have tried for the last half hour to find again but with no luck - where a couple of guys did exactly that to an early online casino or poker room in the late 90s. The programmers who had created the RNG for the casino had done such a poor job that these guys were able to recreate it and exploit it.

So it is possible but very, very difficult.

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4 December 2010 - 5:23am
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Aha.. found the article (warning very techy):

http://www.cigital.com/papers/download/developer_gambling.php

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4 December 2010 - 7:41am
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Unless your a hacker of some type or a bonus hunting douchebag I imagine you can't really cheat an online casino on any game. You need to make sure to play at the right one so they don't cheat you(that would be my fear)...I only play with the casino groups that have been around for 5+ yrs or so...never play at a new groups casinos

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6 December 2010 - 9:30pm
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Ok then what your saying is it is possible to hack into the system and tamper with the RNG. I i know it is very difficult and near impossible but it can be done.

What i am not getting is once a hacker gets inside the RNG are they able to control the outcome of the next spin or cards or can they just see what is coming next..

I know when i first starting playing poker online i feared that some players could see everyones hand at the table. Wonder if that has ever been done.

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6 December 2010 - 10:04pm
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Usne wrote:

Ok then what your saying is it is possible to hack into the system and tamper with the RNG. I i know it is very difficult and near impossible but it can be done.

No - actually I am not. It is extremely difficult, almost impossible, to tamper with the RNG running on the casino server. But what you can do is recreate the same RNG on your own computer and output the same sequence of numbers. Again this is extremely difficult to do, and requires knowledge of what inputs the programmers have use to "seed" the RNG.

Usne wrote:

What i am not getting is once a hacker gets inside the RNG are they able to control the outcome of the next spin or cards or can they just see what is coming next..

No they can only see what is coming next. Maybe not as good as controlling the outcome but imagine the advantage if you could tell the order of cards in the deck in a game of blackjack or caribbean stud or high-low for example.

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I know when i first starting playing poker online i feared that some players could see everyones hand at the table. Wonder if that has ever been done.

It has been done - most notably at UltimateBet and Absolute Poker - but that was a case of cheats having access to a testing mode in the program that allowed them to see everyone's hole cards. Such a mode should never have made it "out of the lab" into the software that all the players used. As for doing it by simulating the RNG - yes, scroll down a bit on the article I linked Wink

Most of the major software vendors have now had years to test and identify any weakness in their RNG algorithms, so it would be very surprising if such a hack existed today. However on the other hand, if you had the knowledge and were clever enough to recreate a casino's RNG would you be telling anyone about it?

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9 December 2010 - 5:12pm
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If i had that kind of knowledge would i share that......more than likely no. Would i use the program myself, again more than likely no.

Not because i would be such a wonderful stand up person, it is because i would fear the consequences of getting caught. The more you use it the more greedy you become and sooner or later it will catch up to you.

I would never tell anyone else because i would fear they would be an idiot and abuse it and who would get blamed.....me!

Here is a thought right back at ya.......if you had this knowledge and knew you wouldn't get caught theoretically (don't come back and say you would get caught). But without a shadow of a doubt you never get caught.......would you use the program and share it?

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9 December 2010 - 11:35pm
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I would try it out, not sure I would share it. Wouldn't want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Maybe after I had made my fortune I would pass it on. haha Wink

Don't forget though after a few consistent winning sessions the casino would probably ban you, even without proof that you were cheating. So you would need to go in hard and have a big win, then move on. Maybe even play a few deliberate losing sessions to throw them off the scent! haha this is revealing a devious streak in me!

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15 December 2010 - 4:32pm
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We are only human and i can't imagine a gambler not tempting to do it if they had the magic key to winning.

Just one thought would go through my head over and over.......Do the crime, pay the time.

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21 December 2010 - 7:09pm
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A person who hunts a bonus is not a douchbag. I would reserve that term for persons who cheat or attempt to cheat in this category. Thank You

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21 December 2010 - 9:21pm
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Totally agree jheckrocks ... otherwise I'd be one myself Wink

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22 December 2010 - 5:09pm
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We all deserve to have bonus incentives when playing at any online casinos. They have to stay in competition with land based casinos who offer nice perks. Though the there is a plus side to online casinos, allowing us to play in the comfort of our home. The draw back of course is not having the cash in your hands immediately when winning like you would at a land based casino.

To me those are reasons enough to offer tons of bonuses to their players. In all fairness i think what highroller is referring to when he says "douche bag" are players who abuse bonuses by means of multiple accounts and using tactics to beat the system. These types of players ruin it for the more serious gambler.

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