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Weird Bonus Rules at Miami Club Casino

When playing at Miami Club Casino, if you use a deposit code, you will notice that not all your winnings will be added to your balance. When I realize that this morning, I email them thinking that it was a mistake. But it was not.

Typically, when you use a bonus code at Miami Club, the amount of the bonus is kept separate from your deposit amount. Whenever you make a bet, if you win less or equal to what your bet is, according to their rule, whatever you win does not count. If you win more than your bet, only the difference is added to your balance.

For example, let's say you deposit $50 and use a 100% bonus code. You account will show a cash balance of $50 and a bonus balance of $50. If you play a 1.25 spin and win $1.00, your bonus balance will now have $48.75 but your cash balance will remain the same. For your cash balance to increase, you must win more than the 1.25 that you spun. Let's say that instead of winning $1.00, you win $1.50. Your account will show a cash balance of $50.25 and your bonus section will have $1.25 less.

Although, I have been playing at Miami Club Casino for the past few months, I never realized that they had this rule. I don't think it's fair. But I would like to know what everyone thinks. For the record, below is the email that I received from the casino explaining the rule as well as the link to the youtube video showing my spins. Keep an eye on the account balance and the winning amounts and you will notice what I am talking about.

The Casino's explanation:
"When playing, funds are removed from the bonus money for bet purposes but your winnings are only added to the real chip once the win amount is greater than the bet amount. If the win amount is not greater than the best amount the real chip balance stays the same."

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8 August 2015 - 2:16am
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My memory is so bad, and I haven't played at Miami Club for so long, but this rings a bell. I did play there a VERY long time ago, and I remember making play through on an almost impossible amount. I used to really like the tournaments, because the games are something different for U.S players, and I definitely had some favorite games there. I have been thinking about Miami Club lately because of the games. I do also remember most of their bonuses included extremely high play through requirements.

Have you ever cashed out at Miami Club and/or do you play tournaments there?

Thank you for posting this. Very informative! Smile

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8 August 2015 - 2:23am
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After watching the video, I do remember the two balances and how they do this. Very different than what we are used to. Do you play there often?

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8 August 2015 - 5:54am
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After watching the video, I do remember the two balances and how they do this. Very different than what we are used to. Do you play there often?

I play there often and win there often . When I make a cashout request, they pay me quickly. Their bonus wagering requirements are on the high side. Therefore, I don't know why they have such high bonus requirements, when they take away most of your bonuses. That's why I don't think that their bonus rules are fair. Having said that, Miami Club has become one of my favorite casinos.

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I play there often and win there often . When I make a cashout request, they pay me quickly. Their bonus wagering requirements are on the high side. Therefore, I don't know why they have such high bonus requirements, when they take away most of your bonuses. That's why I don't think that their bonus rules are fair. Having said that, Miami Club has become one of my favorite casinos.

Thanks, newflorida!

Seems you win at many places you play - that is wonderful!

I first started playing there a few years back when a Casino, I THINK it was called something like Slots Galore (not 100% certain due to my poor memory), closed down. And I could not find the same format (not sure what they are called either) of games anywhere. I missed some of those games, then I discovered Miami Club! I now haven't played there for several years, but I do still like so many of those games, like Dragon Master, the winter themed one, the henhouse one, and the Vegas one, I think it is called?

What do you like to play there?

Have you not played there with their bonuses before or did you just notice this? Do you ever play without the match bonuses?

I am just so curious. lol

I enjoy all of your blogs!

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9 August 2015 - 1:43am
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Oh, and a few more things - what payout option do you use at Miami Club?

Also, do you like Win A Day casino? That has been my favorite for a long time now.

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9 August 2015 - 2:34am
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Oh, and a few more things - what payout option do you use at Miami Club?

Also, do you like Win A Day casino? That has been my favorite for a long time now.

Hope777, I clicked on the report comment by mistake as I tried to respond to your question. Sorry.
As for payout, I always choose courier check. Once my request is approved (which takes 2-3 days), I usually receive the check the next day through FedEx.

I tried several times to deposit at Win a Day Casino, but I could never play because my credit cards always get rejected there. At Miami Club, I like sumo, la cucaracha, shark, the two monkey games, and several others. I don't like the hard-to-win games like safari, supermarket, etc.

I also have to admit that I also like Desert Nights Casino, which is part of Miami Club. I win there very often as well and get paid quickly. They restricted the number of bonuses I received but that's okay. Most casinos that I play at have done the same.

Regarding the Miami Club group, there are several casinos that I don't like and don't play at. I don't play at slots capital because I don't think their payout percentage is fair to players. I don't play at Black Diamond Casino or Spartan Slots Casino because my experience is that they invent any excuses not to pay you if you win. I don't play at Box24 Casino because they use the same software that Black Diamond and Spartan Slots use.

I always use bonus deposits when I play to increase my chances of winning. However, the most that I usually deposit is $100 in order to keep my wagering requirements as low as possible. I hope this answers your questions.

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9 August 2015 - 2:50pm
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Thank you, newflorida!

If you ever want to play at Win A Day, there are a few things you can do.

First, once my card did not go through, so I went to chat. They apologized, gave me 20 dollars to play on, then solved the issue within 24 hours through email.

I bought and Account Now visa card quite a few years ago now, and that method almost always works. I hadn't had a deposit not go through there in a VERY long time (not since I started playing there about 5 years ago), and that is when the above happened. Nice of them to give me a few dollars play while I waited for the issue to be resolved.

I did see your nice win at Desert Nights, but I forgot they have games like Miami Club I might have to check it out sometimes. I remember I used to play the tournaments at Miami Club, too.

Thanks, again, for your detailed response. As I said, I enjoy hearing about others' experiences.

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9 August 2015 - 3:25pm
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I see that Desert Nights does NOT have the same games as Miami Club, but I still want to check it out sometime! Smile

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Hope777, thanks for the advice on win a day. Few weeks ago, I went to Walmart to buy a prepaid visa card to play at win a day. But they had so many brands and I was not sure which brand would work. Also, In the fine prints, the terms said that the merchants had to be in the United States. Therefore, I gave up. Do you have a brand in mind that is good?

It's good for players to share info on casinos. That gives additional advantage.
By the way, which casino is your favorite?

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9 August 2015 - 3:28pm
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I see that Desert Nights does NOT have the same games as Miami Club, but I still want to check it out sometime! Smile

I would advise that you check desert nights out. My smallest win there was 600. My highest was $1800. All the others were in the $1200 range.

As for Miami Club, my wins were between $600 and $900. I have yet to break a 1000 there.

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9 August 2015 - 4:46pm
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Are you just one of those "charmed" people like my friend who I go to land casinos with? She is so lucky, but I am am the opposite. lol Still doesn't stop me from trying, and I really appreciate your advice.

Sorry for all the questions, but what do you like to play at Desert Nights?

Thank you!

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Hope777, thanks for the advice on win a day. Few weeks ago, I went to Walmart to buy a prepaid visa card to play at win a day. But they had so many brands and I was not sure which brand would work. Also, In the fine prints, the terms said that the merchants had to be in the United States. Therefore, I gave up. Do you have a brand in mind that is good?

It's good for players to share info on casinos. That gives additional advantage.
By the way, which casino is your favorite?

I would say Win A Day is my favorite - I haven't ventured out for a long time, but just the past month I have gone back to try a few of my "oldies." But I just don't last long (on mainly RTG) anywhere else.

I have been very happy with my Account Now gold card Visa. They have good customer service, and you can even get a routing number and account number to use as a bank account if you want to (for direct deposit, bill pay, etc.)

I claimed the 10 dollar Desert Nights chip, but I am having trouble navigating their site. NOT the most user friendly. Also, most of the minimum bets seem high so far, which will not make 10 dollars last long. lol One game was 3.75 minimum bet which reminds me of Slotland and why I rarely play there. But I will keep on searching!

I do appreciate the info! I could use a nice win about now! Smile

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9 August 2015 - 5:15pm
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One more thing: Have you tried the $35 no-deposit chip for Win A Day casino? If you haven't tried it yet, it would be a nice way to check out the casino and their unique games. As much as I brag them up, people would think I work for them. lol But I just really like it there, because even if I don't end up withdrawing (although I did end up with a small withdrawal a week or two ago), I can at least play a while on my deposit.

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One more thing: Have you tried the $35 no-deposit chip for Win A Day casino? If you haven't tried it yet, it would be a nice way to check out the casino and their unique games. As much as I brag them up, people would think I work for them. lol But I just really like it there, because even if I don't end up withdrawing (although I did end up with a small withdrawal a week or two ago), I can at least play a while on my deposit.

Actually, the minimum pay per spin at desert nights is between $0.15 and $0.50 depending on the games you play. The reason you think it is $3.75 is because you haven't changed the spin settings. Change the settings from 5 cents to 1 cent per bet, first. Once you do that, use the coin button to set the amount of your bet. If you are playing 20 lines game, at 1cent, the minimum bet is 20 cents. For a 50 lines game, the minimum bet would be 50 cents.

Thank you for the advice on the visa card. As for luck, I am not really lucky at all. The reason that I win is because I tried to devise a strategy to help me overcome the odds at online casinos. For example,

a) There are some casinos where I don't play much at during weekends because I feel based on my experience with them, they lower the odds of winnings on weekends. Most casinos do, but some go overboard;

b) I don't play unless I use a deposit bonus (75% and up). The reason some casinos restrict bonuses to regular winning players is because they know that using good deposit bonuses increase a player's chance of winning.

c) at RTG casinos, I keep track of my winnings and losses for each game that that I play at . I will write down how many spins I lose or the amount I win, if I win a bonus. Doing this helps keep track of cold and hot games.

d) if I start playing a game and get zero cent after three spins, I move on.

e) I pay attention to the behavior of the wild or bonus symbols themselves. For example, if get two out of three bonus symbols every time I spin, I will continue to play that game only if I am still winning some coins during each spin. If the third symbol was going to fall and I notice it gets redirected, I move on.

I have many more strategies I use. For example, I only play hard-to-win games, when I only have money to spare. My minimum bet is usually between $1.00-$1.25 per spin no matter what my balance is. I increase it as I win.

What about you? What's yours? As for the $35 no deposit. I really haven't. To be frank, I usually don't use no-deposit bonuses due to their high wagering requirements and their cash-out limitations.

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9 August 2015 - 9:23pm
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Win A Day has low play through requirements compared to most. Thanks for your awesome responses! Smile

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I must have been in the wrong games at Desert Nights then, because it wouldn't let me lower the bet on those that were set so high. I did try to change them to lower bets. I will have to continue to explore. Smile Would you mind naming a few games you like to play at Desert Nights?

Thank you for sharing your strategies! I imagined you as a very high bettor. I am wondering if it is true there is a better chance of winning with the bonus. I say this, because isn't the play through almost impossible sometimes? Just wondering about that.

I use some of the same strategies you use. I didn't think about weekends, but I have played around with day vs. night for when I am playing. And I try to sign out if nothing is paying rather than spending it down to nothing and being disappointed. I set a limit at each game - like i will play this one down to 35.00 then move on. If it goes up then I change what I will play down to before moving on. This works.....sometimes.

Thanks again! I am wanting to win that big jackpot soon. lol Smile

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On the original question on cash vs bonus balances, I think it is a little different and can definitely be confusing seeing two numbers, but it is not unfair. On the contrary, it is actually better for you if they do it that way.

I was originally going to write that what they are doing makes no difference whatsoever but I decided to fire up Excel and check it out with a mini simulation. This showed me that Miami Club's way of doing things is better for players, mainly because all losses are subtracted from your bonus balance and you can never make the bonus balance go back above what it was at the start of your spin. The wagering requirements will ensure that your bonus balance will inevitably hit zero. Compare this to a normal non-cashable bonus where the bonus balance never reduces (even though it is hidden within your one balance) and you will always have the bonus amount subtracted from your balance when you withdraw. You can see the results in my screenshot below. It shows that while the total balance remains the same between the two scenarios, the cashable amount under the Miami Club system is always higher.

I'm pretty sure I have got the maths right, and I contrived the spin amounts to show what happens in all 3 situations: bonus balance above zero, changing from positive to zero, and afterwards when bonus balance is zero. Let me know if you have any questions as I still have a copy of the spreadsheet and can change things.

miami-club-bonus-sim.png

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Ed, I ran through your numbers and reviewed the video. You are right that it does not make any difference when it comes to the computation. I am kind of embarrassed about my miscalculation. You are right also in that it is better for me if the bonus that is given is not deducted from any payout. However, I believe that the bonus is still being deducted from my payouts. To be 100% sure, next time I win there, I will verify.

Further, I never understood why some RTG casinos (e.g. the Club World Group's casinos) have non-cashable bonus rules while others (e.g. the Jackpot Capital Group's casinos) don't.

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Generally speaking, a non-cashable bonus is less valuable. However many players who don't understand the nuances of bonuses may just look at 100% up to $200 (cashable) vs 150% up to $300 (non) and automatically assume that the second one is better. I guess that casinos choose either in line with their profit vs customer acquisition strategies.

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