Cheating casino software: Casino Web Scripts

Its totally brazen. But judging by the language used on the site and the low price for the software (one of the packages was something like €1299), it’s clear that this is not a professional developer. I doubt you will ever see many casinos running this software - for one the server software is programmed (badly by the looks of it) in PHP and looks to be designed for people to run on $10 a month shared hosting servers which no serious casino would ever do.

Its just another reason to stick with a properly audited and respected software provider when playing online.

At a fair casino, the outcomes of the games are random. However the odds of the various outcomes are such that the casino has a "house edge" or advantage over the player so that it collects more money than it pays out across all its different players over the long term.

I'll use a really simple example - a game of Roulette. There are 36 pockets on the wheel, plus the zero. Say you bet on black or any other of the outside bets that pay you 1:1 on your bet. 18/37 times you win as the ball lands in black, and 19/37 times you lose as the ball lands in either the red or the zero. That extra 1/37 is the house edge right there - i.e. even though you're taking a "50/50" bet, you lose more often than you win in the long run. The same holds true for every other bet on the roulette table. So the wheel can be spun millions of times and the results are completely random, but the casino profits because of the advantage designed into the game. Every game in a casino is like that in some way.

The difference between a normal casino and this cheating software is that this software allows the operator to specify a target percentage of players that can (or cannot) win. This proves that the outcomes of the games are not random, as the software has to be able to adjust to meet the target the operator sets - i.e. it has to ensure a certain percentage of players lose. Also from reading the settings screen it seems to allow the casino to "bank" a certain proportion of every bet, so that it cannot be won back by players, no matter what. And it allows the "fun play" games to be looser than in money play mode, which is a huge no-no.

Holy crap Insomniac! You just made my day. Glad to hear that posting a warning works so quickly.

And another thing - that Reel Thunder slot they have there has been copied from Microgaming! It will be interesting to see how long it takes until they get pounded by Microgaming lawyers.

Wow. I don't even know where to begin with your post pacific12.

The fact you link dropped here even after I expressly said earlier I would not be linking to this software makes me highly suspicious that you work for them. Bonus points for posting from a Romanian IP address when we know that the software developer is located in Romania too.

They are not "one of the most popular vendors". They are in fact almost unknown, and have no reputation other than for offering software that is cheap, bug ridden, and allowing the operator to cheat their players. Their only claim to fame is being blacklisted here, by Michael Shackleford, CasinoMeister, 100% Gambling, the list goes on and on and on.

If you can't accept the financial risk of a player winning then you have no business running a casino. At All. Ever. This point is not a matter of opinion or debate. I am stunned that you wrote what you did. It is indefensible.

The vast majority offer random games with a house edge. If you have proof otherwise then feel free to show it, otherwise statements like that just reveal how little knowledge you have of this industry. Whether the casinos actually pay players when they win is another matter and is one of the reasons we have a blacklist.

And once again you demonstrate that you have no business running a casino because you lack the simple understanding of what a house edge is, and seem to think a Martingale is a winning strategy (that was disproven in the 18th century btw). Here is a recent thread where I explained something similar to a player: Suspicious "randomness" at Silver Oak and English Harbour

Why should you have any "control" over the games? They have a house edge built in already. It is reassuring to know that Viaden have fair games and require someone with some financial backing to get a license.

Once again, its good to know that casino backers using Playtech have a good amount of money in the bank.

"Everything being copyrighted". Don't make me laugh. Did you not read my last post? A lot of their games are copyrighted... by Microgaming! Why would someone claiming to be starting a casino with hardly any money want to leave themselves open to legal challenge by Microgaming? That is insane.

In this thread I have detailed their bug-ridden games (and I think I am being generous describing them as bug-ridden, others might say deliberately cheating), and ability to cheat the player through the back-end via a deterministic payout rate. And somehow you come to the conclusion that the only thing wrong with them is their prices and code? I think you need to read it again.

And while you're at it, read the developer's website again too and take note of the litany of grammatical and spelling errors, then consider the bug-ridden games as demonstrated at the start of this thread and the one at 100% Gambling, consider whether you would also like to be sued by Microgaming, RTG, or Playtech too now! (see evidence below), and then think about whether you would have confidence that their code even does what they claim, seeing as they are demonstrably unprofessional.

Lots of websites are written in PHP. Its a good tool for the job, i.e. writing a website. As an experienced and qualified developer myself it is my professional opinion that scripting languages are not suitable for running the RNG and/or game engine for a casino for a multitude of reasons including security and scalability. The fact that its a scripting language and therefore the source code can be easily changed by anyone with a little basic knowledge means you can never be sure the operator has not tampered with the "RNG" (not that this software even has a "random" number generator).

If you truly are looking to start a casino, I highly recommend you do a lot more research and save up a lot more money first, and try to find a little character and integrity to make your casino one that is worth trusting. If you are working for this developer, as is more likely, I recommend that you stop making up fantasy stories on websites to try to explain your motives for cheating players, and instead work on removing all the stolen copyrighted material used in your games, and writing a properly random gaming engine.

Oh look - they are copying Playtech's Heads or Tails game now too (Playtech's game is the 2nd shot):

Thanks for the tip. I just googled that myself, and my goodness you have a lot of bad press to clear up. Our site is the least of your worries, from what I can see someone has set up an entire website devoted to telling people how bad your software is.

I won't bother with the rest of the nonsense you wrote.

Let me make this very clear: pacific12 IS the software developer or someone working for them.

First there is the Romanian IP address, but pacific12 had tried to hide this by setting their country to Portugal in their user profile. BTW pacific12, remove the chip on your shoulder - pointing out that you are Romanian has nothing to do with everyone else in Romania. It is merely evidence that suggests you may be the developer, given we have less than 10 visitors a day from Romania on average.

I then found an email from the developer in our spam box which had been sent blindly to several different email addresses on our domain in the hope that it would reach us. (Here's a tip, there's a contact us link on every page of this site). I will reprint it here with some of the relevant email header information:

Subject: Hello
Date: 26 May 2011 1:30:49 AM AEST
From: CasinoWebScripts Sales
Received: from [188.26.184.162] (helo=wwwnevergoneeu) by flint.footholds.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QPG2o-0002lE-S3; Wed, 25 May 2011 16:30:47 +0100

Hello,
It has come to our attention that on your website there are multiple articles that are mentioning negative facts about our company and our software, without our prior approval or consultancy . (quoting “But judging by the language used on the site and the low price for the software (one of the packages was something like €1299), it’s clear that this is not a professional developer. “, and many other)

Furthermore , those articles seem to be written without any deep knowledge or research in the area of programming and casino software workaround.

In order to not take this to a higher court, we ask you nicely to remove the articles on your website or to adjust them in such manner that it would reflect reality and not a personal opinion of someone without knowledge in this area.
Advise us by email once you have completed our requests , not later than 29th May 2011.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

Kind Regards,

Casino Web Scripts

You see that line from the email header that I have bolded? That IP address of 188.26.184.162 is the exact same IP address that pacific12 has been posting from. Oh dear. Busted.

I am glad you admit what we write are "negative facts". While what we have written may be negative from your point of view, it is good that we can all agree that it is factual and that it does in fact "reflect reality". We are a review site, and we do not need your permission to give our opinions of your software. In addition I was/am a professional software developer, and I have years of experience in this field, so I am very qualified to evaluate the quality of your work.

pacific12, your account has been banned. I am doing you a favour. Every post you make just digs the hole you have made for yourself even deeper, adds more material for a google search, and keeps popping this thread to the top of our recent topics list. If you want this problem to go away, the solution is simple - fix your software. I am sure there is room in the market for a low cost casino software solution, but there is no need to make one that cheats.

Alright yobes! Settle down. Lets not inflame things!

To be fair they never explicitly threatened to "sue us", they just mentioned going to "a higher court" (whatever that means).

I don't want an ongoing war of words with these guys. There is no need for that. I'll leave the thread open but everybody please try to be respectful in your comments. Thanks.

Sigh. These guys just do not want to learn. Another email:

Hello,
It seems you are posting more content about us, without any of our approval.
We are making a correction in your sayings that you are a simple review website and can write whatever you want .
We dont disagree with that , but posting images from our software and our contact details on your articles is a copyright infringement .

To avoid any future problems, you should remove your article and any images and contact details related to us from your website.

Kind Regards,

Casino Web Scripts

The hypocrisy of this copyright infringer complaining about copyright infringement is spectacular.

Every minute you spend on this is another minute wasted that you could have spent programming your blackjack dealer not to hit when he has a blackjack.

If anyone can find anywhere where we have shown the contact details for these guys, let me know and I will happily remove them. I have been very careful to make sure not to post their contact details at all. The last thing I want to do is promote their business. I think you may have us confused with some other site there pacific12.

Yes, we have received more emails from these people but I won't be publishing them any more. No more needs to be said, they have pretty much hung themselves with everything they have said here already.

I would not be too worried Caruso (and feel free to post your link btw). I would love to know under what country's laws these people think they are entitled to copy the graphics from a bunch of well known casino software suppliers, and then sue people for posting a screenshot that proves it. I certainly haven't broken any laws where I live! But feel free to punch me if you and I, and the Wizard of Odds, and Casinomeister and every other webmaster who blacklisted these guys ends up stuck in a Romanian cell together.