Blacklisted - owned by rogue operators
In our testing of Silver Oak casino we admittedly encountered nothing majorly untoward, save for a very slow withdrawal process that took over two weeks to send us our money, which is frankly not good enough. But it is hard to shake off the unease we feel about the purchase of the player-base of a known rogue operation. After all we have to think that the new operator was fully aware of the reputation of the Crystal Palace group. If not then they either didn't do their due diligence, or they didn't care - not a comforting scenario either way.
We made enquiries directly with Silver Oak about the relationship with the Warren Cloud / Crystal Palace group and were assured that there was nothing more than a purchase of assets from a defunct operator. At face value this is hard to dispute, as their website fails to provide any clues as to the ownership or even the operating jurisdiction of the casino (we have since been tipped that it is Costa Rica), which is in itself not a good sign. However other clues do not sit comfortably with us, such as the association with Chris DeAngelo, a faithful Cloud employee (see contact details at the bottom of buzzword filled press release).
Update March 2010: it appears our suspicions were warranted as it has come to our attention that this casino and the rest in its group were in fact purchased by owners of the notorious Virtual Casino Group (Cool Cat Casino, Club Player Casino, Palace of Chance and more). This is more than enough reason for us to permanently blacklist these guys. Do not deposit your money at this casino or any others in the group which includes: Captain Jack Casino, Cat's Eye Casino, Gold Stream Casino, Lucky Palm Casino, Pharaohs Gold Casino, Ringmaster Casino, Royal Ace Casino, Planet 7 Casino (do these guys know that the 7th planet in the solar system is Uranus? Maybe they do, maybe they do...)
In our opinion playing here is just not worth the risk.
Comments
1/3/2010
I registered today with a 150$ no deposit free chip on Silver Oaks.
While playing, I triggered a Random Jackpot for over 4k$ with my remaining playthrough at about 3.6k
So I say to myself, OK - lets bet 100$ a spin to resolve the remaining playthrough since it doesn't matter much anyways.
Now, the thing with the bonus coupons today is that when you beat the playthrough, the excess amount is withdrawn
to the maximum alotted. The money moves from a bonus state into a cash state.
Well, due to the lag in the transaction process and my excited spinnage, the bonus money removed itself, and my balance was 150$
as I clicked the 100$ bet spin button again.
NOOOOOO, but then, wait?!? I triggered the feature!!
Total win is approximately 9,000$!! How exciting
So I check out the transaction history and low and behold, the automatic withdrawal for the extra
bonus money did in fact happen (it was some -5,000 adjustment abouts.)
Now, my account has about 9,300 USD in it and I have submitted my faxback forms.
~ Based on the occurance of events, I should be entitled to the full amount! The question lies in the payout process ~
I will be posting updates as they come in!
Please do keep us informed. As it says in the review we are a little wary of this casino so it would be good to hear some confirmed feedback one way or the other. Note their maximum withdrawal of $2500 per week, so if they do pay you as they should you will probably have to wait 4 weeks to get it all.
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Oh, no problem with waiting.
But RTG has such a foul reputation, I would love to see what happens!
It's such a wonderful, improbable circumstance that will shed a LOT of light on the online community
Sounds like the best mistake you ever made
I hope you don't mind, I shortened your user account name from your email address so that you don't get added to any spam bot mailing lists.
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1/6/2010
Confirmation email received regarding the documents! Request for withdrawals made and they are currently sitting in a pending status...
Sounds promising... fingers crossed.
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You betcha
1/12/2010
All requests were cancelled and the total amount removed from my account.
However, the amount for 150$ was still approved...
I'll add my chat log with 'Amanda' once I am done.
1/12/2010 12:51:45 PM Promo Credit Withdrawal Approved! ($9,150.00)
1/12/2010 12:51:45 PM Promo Credit Withdrawal Requested ($9,150.00)
1/12/2010 12:51:19 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:51:19 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:51:19 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:51:18 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:51:18 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:51:18 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:51:18 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:51:00 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:51:00 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:51:00 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:50:59 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:50:59 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:50:59 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:50:59 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:50:59 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:50:59 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:50:58 PM UseMyWallet Withdrawal Declined $500.00
1/12/2010 12:50:30 PM Bank Check / Draft Withdrawal Declined $650.00
1/12/2010 12:50:30 PM Bank Check / Draft Withdrawal Approved! ($150.00)
1/3/2010 4:24:21 PM Coupon Reversal Withdrawal Approved! ($5,316.71)
1/3/2010 4:24:21 PM Coupon Reversal Withdrawal Requested ($5,316.71)
1/3/2010 3:55:04 PM Coupon 'NODEPOSIT150 ' redeemed $150.00
1/3/2010 3:55:04 PM Coupon 'NODEPOSIT150' requested
OK - my chat is being transferred to 'Danny' - haha reminds me of Virtual Danny, probably the same guy....
Chat log continues as followed:
A site operator will be with you momentarily. Please be reminded, in order to ensure your future deposits and withdrawals are processed efficiently, it is very important to verify that we have your current personal information updated in our system along with any documentation necessary for withdrawals. Thank you for your cooperation.
Thank you for using our LiveChat Service. This is 'Amanda'. How can I help you?
Amanda: Hello, Welcome to Silver Oak Casino!
Brandon Germain: hello Amanda,
Brandon Germain: a recent cashout request was declined and the amount was removed
Brandon Germain: can you provide information regarding this?
Brandon Germain: hello?
Amanda: im here
Amanda: sorry
Amanda: may i have the username please?
Brandon Germain: bgermain
Brandon Germain: I would like some understanding and explanation regarding the current status of my account
Brandon Germain: Basically, here is my end of the story:
Brandon Germain: If you can see the no deposit coupon was redeemed and played, the playthrough had completed and the excess funds removed
Brandon Germain: 1/3/2010 4:24:21 PM Coupon Reversal Withdrawal Approved! ($5,316.71) 1/3/2010 4:24:21 PM Coupon Reversal Withdrawal Requested ($5,316.71) 1/3/2010 3:55:04 PM Coupon 'NODEPOSIT150 ' redeemed $150.00
Brandon Germain: At this point, I have cleared the playthrough and the amount was awarded as cash credit (no longer in a bonus status)
Brandon Germain: I continue to play and was very lucky to have won what I did.
Brandon Germain: I can understand if the excess was removed before playthrough was completed as the maximum coupon yield was 150$. However at the point the excess funds were removed, the coupon had resolved.
Amanda: One more moment. I apologize for the wait.
Please wait while I transfer the chat to 'Danny'.
Thank you for using our LiveChat Service. This is 'Danny'. How can I help you?
Brandon Germain: Hey Danny
Danny: hello
Brandon Germain: has the previous transcript been transferred to you?
Brandon Germain: I was forwarded by Amanda.
Danny: allow me to catch up with the chat
Danny: be right with you
Brandon Germain: excellent.
Brandon Germain: take your time please
Danny: you have ($150.00) approved today
Danny: in about 7 business days it will be sent out
Danny: that is the max cash out on the free chip
Brandon Germain: I understand that, isn't that what this transaction represents though?
Brandon Germain: 1/3/2010 4:24:21 PM Coupon Reversal Withdrawal Approved! ($5,316.71) 1/3/2010 4:24:21 PM Coupon Reversal Withdrawal Requested ($5,316.71)
Brandon Germain: the coupon itself was reduced to 150, and the balance was transferred from bonus into cash.
Brandon Germain: it was at that point I continued to play and was very lucky enough to continue my winnings.
Danny: yes Coupon Reversal It means that the playthrough amount is completed, leaving you with the cash able amount from the free chip you used.
Danny: which is $150 we denied and kept every single penny
Danny: and we only send you $150
Danny: Is there anything else that I can help you with?
Brandon Germain: right I understand that
Brandon Germain: so I was left with the cashable amount - please do not misunderstand
Brandon Germain: I'm simply trying to understand
Brandon Germain: there's also the other transaction after that coupon reversal
Brandon Germain: 1/12/2010 12:51:45 PM Promo Credit Withdrawal Approved! ($9,150.00) 1/12/2010 12:51:45 PM Promo Credit Withdrawal Requested ($9,150.00)
Brandon Germain: this happened after the coupon reversal, after playing with the remaining cashable portion
Danny: yes that's right all happen as it should
Danny: your just making more complicated
Danny: forget everything and only focus on $150
Danny: understood ?
Brandon Germain: I do understand - so what you are saying is that, after coupon reversal happens, the amount leftover can only be withdrawn and cannot be played with?
Danny: yes
Danny: 10 business days from the 12th your $150 should be sent out
Danny: any other questions ?
Danny: Have fun and good luck!
Chat session has ended. This may have been a technical error.
*** I am typing at this point - less than 10 seconds to respond ***
I find Danny's dismissive and patronising tone disgusting. I am contacting the casino on your behalf. If this is not resolved satisfactorily they will be blacklisted as this just seems to confirm our fears about them.
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Thank you for helping protect the players.
Received this reply to our enquiries from Nick at Silver Oak (emphasis added by me):
The rules say that $150 is the max cash out for this particular free chip.
So payout cannot be beyond $150 if he is continuously playing which the
player did. Yes he could have requested the withdrawal and deposited it back, then he would be eligible for the whole 9k.
Bottom line is until the player makes a deposit he is makes a deposit he is
only eligible for what the rule says for the free chip.
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still seems like a loophole to me!
Anyways a valiant effort though, thanks man
I agree, I have suggested they fix their systems so that any money above the maximum amount is only removed from your account when you make a withdrawal, not before. It seems bizarre to me that the only thing stopping you from getting your winnings was not making a withdrawal in between. Its blatantly denying your money on a technicality.
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We recently found out that these guys are now owned by the rogue Virtual Casino Group owners.
That earned them an immediate and permanent blacklisting.
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Hi! Just wanted to share my story... I redeemed a $50 free chip with a max cashout of $500 and after playing, requesting my winnings, and reading all the posts on this casino I was sure I would never be getting paid however, after about 1 month of waiting I got a check via Fed-Ex. I couldn't believe it but they paid me after verifying all playthrough requirements had been met. Since then I've deposited but have had no luck winning but if I do, I will definitely post that experience as well.
Hi yadi79, I am glad you got your money but you would be far better off playing at any of the Club World casinos (Club USA, Aladdin's Gold, Lucky Red etc), Lock Casino, Slots Plus or iNetBet. All have exactly the same games as Silver Oak but they won't make you wait 1 month to get paid which is just ridiculous.
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